Men pushing in in queues and not social distancing.

[HeIenaDove]

I know in the scheme of things this is only small but its the bloody entitlement that gets to me.

When the new Coronavirus Bill came in last Thursday two men used the 2 m gap to try to push in front while i was queuing outside Tesco.

Re, social distancing , i try i really try to stay 2m from people at all times on the rare occasions but the amount of men who walk right next to me or towards me KNOWING that i will move.

This afternoon was the final straw Queuing outside Sainsburys observing the 2 m rule i had to wait until the queue moved to where the trolleys were . There was no way i could get to them BEFORE queuing and observe the 2m rule so i had to wait in the queue before i got to them. I leant across to put my pound in the slot and the FOUR men queuing behind me jumped the queue by moving along in front.

Im so fed up with the entitlement Every time its been a man EVERY TIME. Ive not seen this from women at all .

Folk music. Hate it with a fiery passion. I deal with this by avoiding it whenever possible. Behold my wisdom and learn from it!

I'm still tickled. Feminists being airily dismissed or angrily told off for participating in a thread about observed male behaviour on a feminist focused section of a large chat board

Funnily, what I've witnessed is a few women telling others how to 'do' feminism properly, and then getting angry when those same women come back with an alternative view.

Only all I'm seeing is attempts to shut me up, mock me and belittle me.

I don't doubt that's all you're seeing Hooves

Earlier this morning I suggested you might understand more accurately if you re-read what people posted.
You've refused to do so.
Your choice of course.

I'm not refusing to do so. I'm assuring you that there is no need for me to re read what has been written. The meaning is abundantly clear. You being condescending towards me does not alter what has been said.

Just, you're throwing that 'angry' accusation around quite freely. Is that part of the new, improved, nuanced Feminism that the other women here have yet to embrace?

It's extraordinary. We have to view female behaviour through the context of male entitlement. Or apply different context altogether for balance?

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It's quite hard to be angry when you're giggling but I suppose I could try if it's really important to people.

I'm not refusing to do so. I'm assuring you that there is no need for me to re read what has been written. The meaning is abundantly clear. You being condescending towards me does not alter what has been said.

R0wantrees Wed 08-Apr-20 11:32:57
R0 Have a re-read, please.

Hooves I don't need to. I don't agree with, nor support, the branch of feminism that you advocate. So no, you don't speak for me nor fight in my name.

R0 Hooves I haven't said I agreed or advocated for any type of feminism nor have I expressed a wish or am likely to ever claim to speak for or fight in your name.

If you read what was actually written you wouldn't be trying to start a boxing match with shadows. You've said you don't want to read to understand so prehaps you just want to box/fight/disrupt?

I'm not being condescending, this a false allegation.

I'm not in the slightest bit angry and if Ro was any more chilled, she'd be asleep.

I'm not angry either. Who is?

Well, Hooves is, but that appears to be the default for them.

*How are you recognising the abusive behaviour of women towards shop workers then? Only all I'm seeing is attempts to shut me up, mock me and belittle me8

I attended an all girl secondary school. I really appreciated that. Sport is always better for girls in single sex schools ( I've been a teacher, myself, too), in my view and experience; and we also had lots of strong female role models, along with a culture of positive expectation around academic achievement etc.

I've never been a 'group person', preferring the company of perhaps just one or two best friends. I instinctively dislike large groups, because people inevitably end up trying to conform in order to fit in or please the group.

Girls in groups can be very cruel to other girls who don't quite fit, or who don't conform in some way (most of us probably have the experience of the 'bitchy' clique at school, or in the work place) - and there is tendency to close ranks both emotionally, psychologically and sometimes physically ( by forming a circle and turning their back towards 'the reject'). Girls can specialise in emotional bullying and exclusion - and in a way that boys don't tend to.

What i have noticed on Mumsnet is women gathering together and closing ranks by discussing baking and recipes. It's quite odd, and not something I'd encountered before, and not something I'd choose to engage in myself.

I'm not being condescending, this a false allegation.

Yeah you are

Justhadathought

That is exactly what happens on here. Exactly. And yet they will deny it until their very last breath.

Still not angry 👍

Just, you're throwing that 'angry' accusation around quite freely. Is that part of the new, improved, nuanced Feminism that the other women here have yet to embrace

I'm not "throwing" anything around. I'm posting as I find and experience. Perhaps if all read back through the thread, as others have been advised to...they'd notice that some posters felt strongly and angrily enough to swear - in response to others posing a different view; and rather self righteously referred to anyone who didn't agree as 'misogynists' and 'apologists'.

Personally see this whole lock-down crisis as bringing out some of the worst in human nature. Male and female.

I for one, hope my last breath doesn't happen on this thread.

What, group dynamics? Nope, I'm sure we're all well aware of them.

Still waiting to hear about the new, improved, nuance feminism that repeatedly calls other women angry, and accuses them of being bitches for insisting that part of feminism is trying to analyse male pattern behaviour.

And as for women gathering together? My god. The very idea...

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It's the swearing you're reading as angry? Fucking hell.

We swear here all the fucking time. Doesn't mean we're angry.

It's quite hard to be angry when you're giggling but I suppose I could try if it's really important to people

I'd suggest the "giggling" is itself a sign of aggression....Why would you find someone being upset funny? You wouldn't: unless you held them in contempt.

I mean it not like it's commonplace, for women/feminists, to describe men pushing in front of them in a queue as male entitlement.

I mean it's right up there with space domination, man spreading, and talking over you in meetings. 🤣

To be fair Mumsnet as a whole must be a bit of a shock to anyone who's not used to swearing. Don't ever visit Glasgow, Just, you'll feel like the whole city is in a rage and it will be very upsetting.

(I love the place, but hey, I'm a sweary bastard too so I fit right in.)

OK, "giggling is aggressive" may be officially the funniest thing anyone has ever said on FWR. Maybe we can get this thread moved to Classics.