Men pushing in in queues and not social distancing.

[HeIenaDove]

I know in the scheme of things this is only small but its the bloody entitlement that gets to me.

When the new Coronavirus Bill came in last Thursday two men used the 2 m gap to try to push in front while i was queuing outside Tesco.

Re, social distancing , i try i really try to stay 2m from people at all times on the rare occasions but the amount of men who walk right next to me or towards me KNOWING that i will move.

This afternoon was the final straw Queuing outside Sainsburys observing the 2 m rule i had to wait until the queue moved to where the trolleys were . There was no way i could get to them BEFORE queuing and observe the 2m rule so i had to wait in the queue before i got to them. I leant across to put my pound in the slot and the FOUR men queuing behind me jumped the queue by moving along in front.

Im so fed up with the entitlement Every time its been a man EVERY TIME. Ive not seen this from women at all .

YY Kittens i also suspect thats whats behind it.

It was TWO occasions and SIX men

It doesn't really matter whether it was one or two or even three occasions, or one man or ten. It's still not enough to draw any real conclusions, and doesn't somehow over-ride anyone elses anecdotal observation.

We all need to have a little self awareness on this, it's one thing to say, gee, it seems to me like a lot of fast drivers are men, I wonder if that might be a thing - and discuss it. Maybe everyone will have a similar observation, and maybe not, it might be revealing and it might leave the question unanswered.

It's another thing altogether to state that there is this pattern and anyone who doesn't see it is denying your experience or is non-feminist.

', it seems to me like a lot of fast drivers are men, I wonder if that might be a thing - and discuss it. Maybe everyone will have a similar observation, and maybe not, it might be revealing and it might leave the question unanswered.'

Do you never read the stats or anything around that topic?

What a strange analogy. Car incidents are a disproportionate killer of young men. That was why their insurance was so high (before gender neutral pricing rules and in).

So your analogy to say, who can know??!! Is well known and measurable with many statisical sources.

Try again?

Statistics, like anecdata, can be dismissed if they don't help one win the argument which one has for unexplained reasons decided must be won at all costs.

Feminism is the political movement for the liberation of women.
WTF do you think Feminism is committed to liberating women from, fer crying out loud

I've never been in an intimate, abusive or controlling relationship with a man; and I'm also very much my father's daughter...,,My Father has been a very positive and encouraging influence in my life ( I'd say he's a feminist, in that he has always supported female freedom and emancipation). )I generally like men; have had male mentors; and get on with men - in general terms. Even as I recognise many negative aspects of 'male' behaviour.

That doesn't mean i can't be in support of women and girls being free to develop their potential and express their talents, skills and strengths........That is what feminism is about. It is about women.

WTF do you think Feminism is committed to liberating women from, crying out loud

Clearly you feel very angry - hence the 'WTF'.....but I simply can't conform to the idea that all men are bastards...It is more about the social structures and cultures in which we all live, and/or were brought up in. Men included.

Once you have achieved equal legal and civil rights- then, for me, it is more about being liberated to, rather than from...but also recognise that these are probably both connected. So much of our own repression comes from internalised patterns and expectations.

I do acknowledge, however - of course, that many women - the world over - are subject to quite extreme abuse and oppression on account of their sex - which is what brings me here. It's not all about me. I appreciate that.

I've never been in an intimate, abusive or controlling relationship with a man

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Never actually had an accident though. When I was taking driving lessons as a teenager the instructor said that she loved teaching metalheads because we're generally fearless (can confirm), but also prone to speeding

I went through a few driving instructors before i found the right one for me......an elderly gentlemen who was calm, patient and very encouraging. The female instructor used to yell at me, and tell me it was " her car"......

I've never had an accident, but I do have the potential for the enjoyment of driving fast...I used to; especially on open country roads and motorways...and have the points to prove it......I don't anymore though......I'm really quite controlled now. And yes, I too love hard rock and PJ Harvey at her punk prime.

Rowantree, I appreciate that many women are in abusive and controlling relationships, and I understand the mechanisms of coercive control......

Deary me @RufustheLanglovingreindeer you're determined for an argument, aren't you? You're exactly the type of person my gran means when she uses the expression 'could start WW3 in an empty room'.

LOL! Rufus has to be one of the most amiable people on this board.

Do you never read the stats or anything around that topic?

It doesn't matter what the stats are about the example are as it's not the topic of the thread - a topic where there are no statistics available about male or female behaviour.

Clearly you feel very angry - hence the 'WTF'.....but I simply can't conform to the idea that all men are bastards..

When did someone saying WTF mean this was a 'clear' indication of anger?

Also who has said "all men are bastards" or required others to 'conform' to such an idea?

(seems a tad 'Milly Tant' no?)

When I say WTF it's usually because I think someone is being rather stupid. Stupidity provokes eye rolling rather than anger for me, though obviously ymmv.

Well you brought it up goose as an analogy and it's a shit one.

Oh, are you all still here? Just checking. Good good.

Argumentative Rufus. I hear she can suggest a recipe and answer herself excitedly two seconds later when she decides to make it, but I don't know how the parmesan yorkshires turned out. She might be very cross with herself now.

Oh fgs Helena 2 occasions and 6 men or 6 occasions- so what - in either case 6 men were involved.

The figure 6 stuck in my mind. That if anything actually bolsters your argument - 6 separate occasions of poor behaviour.
It's rather egotistical to assume on a 15 page thread that your posts should be indelibly imprinted on my mind.

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I don't think I can say WTF (or type it) without a smile (snort possibly?) of incredulity.
I shall try to remember to check in with my emotions when this happens in the future. Im fairly confident its not an expression of anger though.
(Just speaking for myself of course)

Expressions of anger from me tend to involve a bit more non acronym'd swearing.

Still chuckling at the idea of Rufus the super aggressive meany. I have to say though, don't fancy the idea of parmesan yorkshire puddings. Is this like the thing where they're putting inexplicable ingredients in hot cross buns?

I have to say though, don't fancy the idea of parmesan yorkshire puddings.

I wasnt sure either when I saw the suggestion
I like cheese in crepes though. Could it work?

(Also chuckling at such preposterous characterisation of Rufus)

If they were to be eaten alone I wouldn't be so put off, it's the idea of pouring beef or chicken gravy over parmesan that's giving me the boak.

They'd just be like big floofy round posh cheese straws, wouldn't they?

Ah well pouring beef or chicken gravy over any of my food would make me boak. (Its been many decades since I did that)

Maybe parmesan Yorkshire Puddings are for other combinations?

See, I miss gravy. Sometimes find myself craving a proper roast dinner, but I'd have to cook it myself and I'm too lazy plus not confident that my yorkshire puddings would come out right.

I do keep a tub of Bisto onion gravy (its vegetarian, can be pimped ) & used to do a good veggie sausage toad in the hole.
Herbs in the batter is a good addition (IMO obviously)