Men pushing in in queues and not social distancing.

[HeIenaDove]

I know in the scheme of things this is only small but its the bloody entitlement that gets to me.

When the new Coronavirus Bill came in last Thursday two men used the 2 m gap to try to push in front while i was queuing outside Tesco.

Re, social distancing , i try i really try to stay 2m from people at all times on the rare occasions but the amount of men who walk right next to me or towards me KNOWING that i will move.

This afternoon was the final straw Queuing outside Sainsburys observing the 2 m rule i had to wait until the queue moved to where the trolleys were . There was no way i could get to them BEFORE queuing and observe the 2m rule so i had to wait in the queue before i got to them. I leant across to put my pound in the slot and the FOUR men queuing behind me jumped the queue by moving along in front.

Im so fed up with the entitlement Every time its been a man EVERY TIME. Ive not seen this from women at all .

...but yes, you do get male drivers who seem to take delight in trying to scare pedestrians, and even children on their way to school...by driving in such a way as to signal that they are prepared to run them over. They seem to get a kick out of it. A certain type of male........

This is appalling behaviour.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-52171694

It is dido

Its taking the piss, it really Is

Be fair DidoLamenting must have been the patriarchy made her do it

It's as tho' when there are reports of football hooligans trashing a bar or café abroad there are some people who automatically think - bloody women

NO one is saying that some behaviours in society aren't more from males or females, or in a few cases almost exclusively so.

But you cannot therefor just assume that any other given behaviour are male or female simply because it seems that way at first glance, or because someone makes a small number of observations about it. In this case it seems that some people seem to have observed that it's mostly men, while others have not, and there just aren't enough observations to draw a conclusion. Even six observations by an individual is not enough to draw a reliable conclusion, chance could provide that many examples on one side even without the fact that observations by individuals are always biased. Behaviours like this can also can be very different regionally with men and women generally.

This is a data question. And as Floisme says, we don't have any data, it's just people reporting their observations so it's important to see what the rage is, really from as many people as possible. Without reliable data no one can even conclude if it is a feminist question - appearing on FWR doesn't mean that it is. It's just our impressions.

Be fair DidoLamenting must have been the patriarchy made her do it

How so, Hooves?

I had this in Asda. The one way system isn't great (imo), as most people stood in the very centre of the aisle, meaning that you could not overtake, or you would be closer than 2 metres, so everyone would have to shop at the rate of the slowest mover. And people just don't have the patience. I saw a handful of people overtake regardless, and also turn back so they were not following the arrows. They were ALL men.

TinselAngel

Well because apparently women don't have free agency. When they make questionable choices it isn't their fault, according to some on here.

So Scotland's CMO making a very poor choice can't possibly be because she's selfish or a test can it?

TinselAngel

Be fair DidoLamenting must have been the patriarchy made her do it

How so,Hooves?

Pretty sure Hooves was just being sarcastic.

Anyway whether it was the patriarchy or the fact she is a selfish, entitled hypocrite which made her do it she's now admitted she was at her holiday home 2 weekends running

The one way system isn't great (imo), as most people stood in the very centre of the aisle, meaning that you could not overtake, or you would be closer than 2 metres, so everyone would have to shop at the rate of the slowest mover.

When I was shopping it seemed that people were not sure if we were supposed to overtake in the one way aisles - even if people are on the edges it didn't leave 2m between. You could see people thinking about it. The conclusion I came to was that part of the point of being one way is that if you overtake you aren't in peoples faces, and if we stopped and waited for the cleaners and such we'd not move at all. Others may have thought I was taking risks I guess, I tend to be fairly practical and see some things like shopping as having inherent risk - I don't expect social distancing to result in perfect or even near perfect safety because they simply don't. Since we need to shop we make it as safe as we can, but single people down the aisle would mean longer lines outside so that's a trade off too.

It is the same with a lot of new rules - there seem to be new ones every time ad people are not all as quick at catching on. I was told not to bring my bags once and at the shop it turned out I needed them and had to buy new ones, then the next time I wasn't allowed to use them at all.

A couple of days ago, I was outside the doors to the local Coop, waiting to be allowed in. The doors are beside the newspaper rack. A man in his sixties started walking towards me, so I said "whoa, you need to keep 2m away". He responded that he wanted a paper and his actions (ie kept walking towards me) meant I took evasive action. (The security guard inside the store was shaking his head in disbelief). The man was wearing woolley gloves, couldn't turn the pages with his hands so used his tongue/lips/mouth instead!

A couple of days ago, I was outside the doors to the local Coop,

Yesterday I went to the local coop and two women were stood outside the door, chatting. They were 2m apart but I couldn't walk between them without being closer.
They weren't going to move, so I asked them to and they gave me a filthy look and muttered behind my back after reluctantly moving just enough.

Clearly many women are involved in painful and negative relationships with men, in which they feel controlled or demeaned...but that is not the first principle of feminism...or a kind of diktat.

Feminism is the political movement for the liberation of women.
WTF do you think Feminism is committed to liberating women from, fer crying out loud?

NO one is saying that some behaviours in society aren't more from males or females, or in a few cases almost exclusively so.

That is exactly what some on the thread are saying and they have said it repeatedly.

Bloody hell!!

Some posters really hate us discussing the ways in which we women are disadvantaged by sex discriminations!

Men pushing into queues, men barging, men coming to close - was quite obvious, two days ago when I went shopping!

Was also obvious, 20 years ago, when I went shopping! No fucking change, there!

Don’t these men also push in front of other men, or do they only do it to women?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3872821-some-guy-just-charged-at-me

Don’t these men also push in front of other men, or do they only do it to women?

I expect so, unless it is a man that looks like he might deck them one.

Some people would really like the feminist forum to stop being so bloody feminist. Which is odd, given that there are an abundance of non feminist forums to peruse.

I do know a few women who love driving fast, not as many as I know men but a few. One drives around in the sort of fancy little red sports car that police love to pull over because they associate it with reckless driving, so she gets pulled over a lot. Never actually had an accident though. When I was taking driving lessons as a teenager the instructor said that she loved teaching metalheads because we're generally fearless (can confirm), but also prone to speeding.

This thread serves no purpose other than confirmation bias of the OP and like- minded souls.

The OP posted examples and later replied direct to a post of mine that on 6 occasions men had behaved in an unacceptable manner and to get back to her when 6 women had done the same.

She already had 5 examples from and I can easily add to that total but I can't be bothered because I'll be accused of stopping your conversation (which is utter nonsense) or being an MRA.

Some people, actually most people I've met are behaving properly, some are really going above and beyond what is necessary ; some people are selfish idiots. And do I need to point out who in Scotland currently can be named as the most selfish and idiotic person who contravened the rules?

There are serious issues in relation to the problems self- isolation and social distancing will cause in relation to violence in the home; this sort of confirmation bias point- scoring isn't one of them.

Confirmation bias is huge on this forum, in general.
Some people would really like the feminist forum to be an echo chamber bubble with no dissenting opinions allowed.

The OP posted examples and later replied direct to a post of mine that on 6 occasions men had behaved in an unacceptable manner

It was TWO occasions and SIX men. Ive already had to point this out to you. The first time you did it i gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed it was a mistake.

Now i know you are putting words in my mouth deliberately.

It was TWO occassions and SIX men.

It was TWO occasions and SIX men

Thats twice ive had to point that out

Are you going to go for a hat trick?

I think people are getting a bit bored in lockdown, Helena. Telling women off on a forum you have a grudge against seems like an odd way to pass the time to me, but hey, takes all sorts I suppose.