Men pushing in in queues and not social distancing.

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I know in the scheme of things this is only small but its the bloody entitlement that gets to me.

When the new Coronavirus Bill came in last Thursday two men used the 2 m gap to try to push in front while i was queuing outside Tesco.

Re, social distancing , i try i really try to stay 2m from people at all times on the rare occasions but the amount of men who walk right next to me or towards me KNOWING that i will move.

This afternoon was the final straw Queuing outside Sainsburys observing the 2 m rule i had to wait until the queue moved to where the trolleys were . There was no way i could get to them BEFORE queuing and observe the 2m rule so i had to wait in the queue before i got to them. I leant across to put my pound in the slot and the FOUR men queuing behind me jumped the queue by moving along in front.

Im so fed up with the entitlement Every time its been a man EVERY TIME. Ive not seen this from women at all .

And I don’t know who reported the deleted post either. I Looked at threads ‘I’m on’ yesterday morning, it was there, I read it, then 3 minutes later it was gone. It might have been picked up by MN for all we know.

Interesting thread.

Yeah, women and aggressive tones. Definitely need to express ourselves so that we are putting things across in the right tone

Ah yes, the tone argument. How original.

So many red herrings. It’s almost as if certain people don't want to discuss the topic. Which is odd, because MN has hundreds of other threads and boards, if you don’t like this one.

Or there is even a facility to start one’s own thread on a topic of one’s choice.

I happen to think that many of the threads and posts on MN are nonsense. But I don’t go on and tell them that, because that’s rude, it’s a free country and they should be allowed to talk about what they like.

I’ve no interest in derailing threads on style and beauty because I personally have no interest in that topic. And what possible interest would I have in going onto, say, the chicken Keepers topic and telling they are all wrong because I’m vegan? That would be weird and controlling.

Same with the people who constantly post saying how wrong and hateful all the posters on MN are. Well other chat sites are available, why spend so much time here telling everyone how much you hate them?

Some people are clearly quite troubled. Or bored now school is closed.

It's a little disheartening that some posters view disagreement with a particular premise as somehow 'anti-feminist' and/or that the only legitimate form of discussion is one based on agreement.

The faked concern absolutely makes my skin crawl, it's horribly "calm down dear" with a little bit of committing 'hysterical' women to Bedlam thrown in.

The faked concern absolutely makes my skin crawl, it's horribly "calm down dear" with a little bit of committing 'hysterical' women to Bedlam thrown in.
Well said. It's horribly misogynistic, and shameful coming from alleged feminists

dunno, maybe the feminist focus of the topic is eluding some posters

To my mind, feminism doesn't imply having to have a single party line, or fixed articles of faith: that men are inherently selfish, arrogant, violent, controlling......and so on. It implies women being free to make choices about their life, the way they live it, and in being permitted to develop their talents, gifts and strengths.

It also means valuing the female roles & processes that are connected to the fact of biology and the body: motherhood, nurturing, home-making, and so on.....

The focus should be on women and the female, not on men.

Clearly many women are involved in painful and negative relationships with men, in which they feel controlled or demeaned...but that is not the first principle of feminism...or a kind of diktat. It is not women versus men. Feminism is a form of humanism, to my mind....one which focuses on the specific experience of being in a female body in any given society.

It's a little disheartening that some posters view disagreement with a particular premise as somehow 'anti-feminist' and/or that the only legitimate form of discussion is one based on agreement

Absolutely....as if there is a single theme that everything must be brought back to...that men...all men, by nature or nurture, are controlling, arrogant pricks. Is that really what feminism means to some people? I suspect it is.

That is not to suggest that certain behaviours and attitudes are not socially constructed and nurtured more in males than in females, and vice versa.....that is certainly true in general terms. but life, and people, are nuanced and many of us simply don't conform to expectations. That, to my mind, suggests progress.......that we are generally freer to be who we are, and express ourselves outside of sexist expectation. Isn't that the goal?

And to pretend that all women must necessarily be victims, and all men oppressors sounds like a dead end to me.

Feminism is the struggle for the liberation of female people from patriarchy- patriarchy being the structures of male dominance.

It's not anti all individual men. But this doesn't preclude pointing out when lots of individual men are acting like tossers.

Dido, you’re the one who’s spent about a thousand posts attacking anyone who has concerns about patterns of oppressive male behaviour or the existence of patriarchy

No, she hasn't! She doesn't doesn't go for group think & automatic generalised hatred and prejudice; recognising that life, in 21C Britain, is far more nuanced than that.

Beautifully put, Justhadathought, thank you very much.

It's not anti all individual men. But this doesn't preclude pointing out when lots of individual men are acting like tossers

Of course not...but to then extend that into a generalised rant about men is not what it is about either. Back in the early days of consciousness raising that sort of feeling was more evident, and 'natural'. When you first 'wake up' to a struggle for liberation....you tend to see that which you despise, or that which oppresses you everywhere.....But that is not the end goal. The end goal is to liberate yourself from your own part in that process.

The end goal is to liberate yourself from your own part in that process.

The end goal of feminism is for women to liberate themselves from being annoyed by men? Sorry I'm not sure what you mean?

It's as tho' when there are reports of football hooligans trashing a bar or café abroad there are some people who automatically think - bloody women!

Disclaimer - NAFSALT

You see when I hear about fighting on the terraces etc. I do think - bloody men!

Does that make me a bad person?

Why don't you think ",bloody hooligans"?

Because, I've noticed, women don't tend to behave that way (as a class).

Same thing with driving too fast and spitting. I'm sure there are examples of women doing these things but in my experience that's as rare as hen's teeth.

Last week went to the chemist to pick up prescriptions. I’m a bit early so wait outside.

Few minutes later, guy comes along and waits too. We spend a minute smiling and rearranging our selves on the pavement so we’re both comfortable and not blocking pavement. Great.

Then another guy comes along and takes great pleasure in walking at us both so we have to move. He had to go out of his way to do it, as I’m basically right up at the chemist window and guy 1 is by a big flower trough at the edge of the road a few metres away. The git guy has that smile on people have when they are enjoying power/making others feel uncomfortable.

On my way back I see the guy guy at local post office/newsagent just getting a paper right up at counter making post lady really uncomfortable, then bruise cruising all the people in the queue outside on his way out.

Bet he does that every ducking day. Cunt.

Fucking day!

I knew what you leant.

Because, I've noticed, women don't tend to behave that way (as a class

Nor do men, as a class. Football hooligans are a minority.

Minority of women spend inordinate amounts of time and money on beauty treatments - so can we say that women, as a class, are vain?

Minority of women spend inordinate amounts of time and money on beauty treatments - so can we say that women, as a class, are vain?

No as feminists we'd say patriarchy puts gendered expectations on women to do with beauty, femininity and appeal to the male gaze.

I get more criticism of my appearance and of failing to wear make up from other women than from men

It could be male pattern behaviour but it's a new phenomenon and I think it's important to have people challenging and pointing out the dangers of confirmation bias. Otherwise all we're going to get is a new spin on the 'an old woman touched my baby' threads.

Yes. Because women have been socialised into this patriarchal expectation.

No as feminists we'd say patriarchy puts gendered expectations on women to do with beauty, femininity and appeal to the male gaze.

So
A) women are incapable of independent thought
B) why don't all women, of even the majority of women do it