Jane Fae: The coronavirus death rate for men is high possibly because women 'are not pulling their weight in the crisis'

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How is this anything other than a men's rights movement?

TRAs still try and pretend that gender critical people are very much the minority..whilst aso claiming that there are so many of us that it scares them, despite near all violence on trans people being by males

The amount of times I have read 'terfs think they are making a difference, all they are doing is ganing support for us!!!!!1'. Its just bizarre that thats how they read it. They seem to have the power to close down some meetings, give them that. But its highly unlikely to be because said businesses agree, more like they dont want a scene being caused which they know usually happens when young males get told no for something. Plus, every shutdown meeting and every threat of violence, opens the publics eyes up even more to this insanity.

I still see regularly TRA types saying that only a few hundred terfs exist, and 'we' simply have thousands of multis each with which we flood the internet

February's Womens Liberation Conference 2020 had 1000 women in attendence:

WPUK co-founder Kiri Tunks closed the conference, paying tribute to staff at UCL, “for demonstrating a commitment to academic debate and women’s rights.”

"WPUK had been formed fairly recently and we know that there are many groups and many individuals who have been campaigning for far longer than us, and we want to thank you for what you have done and what you continue to do.

“This conference is not the first word, or the last word, or the only word. Think back to wins of the late ’60 and ’70s, the dramatic changes to women’s education, economic independence, aspirations for our lives and our relationships. These things are now just not under threat, many have already been rolled back. We are alert to these threats and we ready to step up to defend what has been won and to fight for more.

“We are going to need all your strength and fire in the days to come. It’s down to all of us. This is the movement; we are the movement — let’s move.”

There seemed to be no acknowledgement, or even awareness, that the hyperbolically lamented “rise in transphobia” was actually a direct result of their overstepping the mark, both in demands and in the threats they made

Yup.

Guardian 7/4/2020

'Coronavirus hits men harder. Here's what scientists know about it'
(extract)
The early evidence leaves little doubt that Covid-19 poses a greater risk to men – but are the reasons biological or cultural?

The coronavirus crisis seems to be placing everything under a harsh, unforgiving spotlight: economic inequality, the vulnerabilities of healthcare systems, the fragility of globalisation and the challenges of dealing with scientific uncertainty. Here’s another issue for that list: men’s health.

It’s no secret that males are in many respects the frailer sex. On average, men die younger and are at more risk of life-threatening ailments, especially heart disease and many forms of cancer. The Sars-CoV-2 coronavirus seems to follow the same pattern. In all six of the countries that, up to 20 March, had sex-specific records of deaths from Covid-19, the proportion of men was higher than women. For four of those (China, France, Italy and South Korea), male mortality rates were more than 50% greater than female rates." (continues)

concludes:
The sex differences in susceptibility to Covid-19, then, are a reminder of issues we have long known about but are failing to address. Even the highly incomplete statistics on these differences themselves reflect a failure to recognise longstanding WHO recommendations to separate the numbers by sex, so causes and responses can be better understood. Probably for both biological and cultural reasons, men and women are often affected differently by disease. But until we understand why, we are all the losers.

• Philip Ball is a science writer"

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/07/coronavirus-hits-men-harder-evidence-risk

So - fingers crossed - it emerges there is a chance that plasma transfusions may be an effective coronavirus treatment.

www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2020/04/07/blood-recovered-coronavirus-victims-helps-patient-come-ventilator/

Of course, plasma transfusions from women who have ever been pregnant are potentially lethal to men.

I wonder if the insistence on recording the wrong biological sex on their medical records would persist in the face of a development like this?

Would the NHS continue to countenance it?

Oh wow. You think Fae might be in deep cover?

Maybe that's a good strategy for dealing with this person? Taking everything as satire.

That's really encouraging, Kantastic

Guardian 7/4/2020

Hahaha no wokery! My version of "no Popery"

There seemed to be no acknowledgement, or even awareness, that the hyperbolically lamented “rise in transphobia” was actually a direct result of their overstepping the mark, both in demands and in the threats they made

As an ongoing real life case study in collective psychology it's fascinating. I'm not sure anything could breach the bubble at this point. When the backlash comes they will be genuinely surprised.

So - fingers crossed - it emerges there is a chance that plasma transfusions may be an effective coronavirus treatment.

I've been wondering when doctors would try this. Looks encouraging so far, but if it gets more media attention no doubt we'll see a wave of "harvest the otherwise worthless cis women for their blood" comments.

harvest the otherwise worthless cis women for their blood"

Not if it will put actual people males at risk though... there may have to be "forcible" testing first!

What a knob this Jane person is.

"harvest the otherwise worthless cis women for their blood"

Fae can keep their knitting-calloused paws off my plasma

I still see regularly TRA types saying that only a few hundred terfs exist, and 'we' simply have thousands of multis each with which we flood the internet

That's because that's what they do so they assume that everyone else is doing it too.

Projection, thy name is...something frou frou, and thy face is either an image pilfered from anime or a creepily sexualized cartoon animal.

Jane is terrified Janes chromosomes & biological sex might deceive them and make them more Vulnerable to c19

This shoe from Radio 4 on Monday was fascinating and explains why women have much stronger immune responses than men. It also means women are more vulnerable to auto immune response disorders too.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000h2c0

Some figures which are concerning and need more explanation.

The ONS figures record the following:

Our latest data on weekly deaths registrations include deaths involving COVID-19. In the three weeks up to 27 March, there were 647 deaths in England and Wales involving COVID-19 (397 men and 250 women).

The majority of deaths involving COVID-19 have been among people aged 65 years and over (568 out of 647), with 41% (233) of these occurring in the over-85 age group.

Our figures are based on deaths registered in the stated period and include all deaths where “COVID-19” was mentioned on death certificates. They differ from those published by the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), which are based on deaths occurring to date among hospital patients who have tested positive for COVID-19.

That's 38.6% women to 61.4% men.

Concerning is the Department of Health figures for deaths in hospital don't appear to be recording sex. I can't find a data set from the Doh directly recording this information. (if anyone can let me know)

What we do know is that there is research into those admitted to critical care by sex.

This states that 27% are women v 73% men. For non covid-19 viral pneumonia you'd expect a 46:54 split.

The ICNARC report above was prepared by intensivists and records men and women in intensive care.

Yes I know that.

But it also records outcomes from intensive care.

Women are dying in far larger numbers than the number of women dying in critical care.

We could do with knowing why and whether this means women are getting less health care provision whether this is critical care OR as I suspect proper palliative care in nursing homes. Or whether women have different symptoms to men leading to them not getting admitted to critical care early enough (or both)

The fact we are not exploring this speaks volumes. We know that women traditionally have health inequality in many many areas. Is it going on with covid-19?

Could it be that the majority of women who are dying are in the oldest age group? And not being admitted to intensive care due to being too frail (or assumed too frail)?

My brain is too fried to look for evidence this morning but this ONS report from 2011 (most recent, sadly) says that there are 2.8 female care home residents for every male resident.

So perhaps the majority of CV19 care home deaths are female residents? Is that info on the ONS COVID19 death register? I find that spreadsheet impossible to read on my mobile.

It’s a question to copy over to Barracker’s CV19 data thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3870224-Daily-numbers-graphs-analysis-thread-3?pg=27

I worried that the sex difference in deaths/ICU might be due to women’s reported symptoms being taken less seriously than men’s (as we see across medicine but particularly pain relief) but I do think/hope the far higher % of very elderly women is the likely cause of the discrepancy.

Of course unless all the data are separated by sex we’ll never bloody know - wonder who that would advantage?

Gibbons, I think it is possible its both.

The trouble is without proper data collection we don't know.

That's because that's what they do so they assume that everyone else is doing it too.

Indeed!

On the basis of the difference between the ONS data and the critical care data, I'd say it bloody well does.

Completely agree.

I'm sure there will be a full study on the effect this virus is having on men, in order to understand why men are seemingly impacted more, in order to assist with a possible vaccine.

The higher rate of women dying outside of a hospital setting? Meh, probs because they were really old. Theres no need to look into that any further...