Police officer posts that 1 in 12 transwomen get murdered

[jadefinch]

Cliff Goodwin, who is an engagement officer at the College of Policing, seems to be using the pandemic to post wholly untrue statistics about trans people.

He's said that 1 in 12 transwomen get murdered (no mention of transmen) and that the figure rises to 1 in 8 if they're of colour. He also said 41% of trans people have tried to commit suicide.

In actual fact 7 transwomen have been murdered in the last decade (all by men and none for being trans. One was of colour. The number of women murdered by men in that time is well over 1,300).

The 41% figure has been debunked even by trans organisations like GIDS, who say the figure is actually less than 1%.

When it was pointed out to him that these stats were untrue he said they were international figures (they aren't - they're just made up) and he won't delete them because he wants to highlight the plight of trans people so they are visible (which makes no sense). He's an engagement advisor - but then started blocking ex police officers who said he shouldn't be lying - and noone was positively engaging with him.

What has happened to our police?

twitter.com/cliff_goodwin/status/1244882805483540481?s=19

Isn't that just US sex workers?

I wonder what the rate for female sex workers is?

Well in the us study the conclusion was that it was sex work, not ones gender identity that was the key factor

But I don't think that surprises you does it?

The Equalities Office says there are 200,000-500,000 trans people in the UK. Assume half are MTF, half FTM.

If 1 in 12 is murdered, 8000-20,000 of the current trans population would be murdered. If the average lifespan of trans people was unimpacted and trans people live average British lifespans (spreading the murders out over the maximum period of time), divide that by 80 (average lifespan years) to find an approximate number of MTF murders per year that would be expected in the UK for this to be remotely true.

So we'd see 100-250 trans murders, between 1/6th and 1/3 the total number of murders in the entire country.

It's one of those figures that is so preposterous it doesn't pass the slightest sniff test. I don't know how anyone can say it with a straight face.

More lies and misinformation. Again.

The infographic he tweeted is from a US organisation called Transstudent.org

www.transstudent.org

Rather than illustrated jelly babies, they have a transgender unicorn.

Well in the us study the conclusion was that it was sex work, not ones gender identity that was the key factor

To acknowledge that the risk didn't come from being trans but rather from prostitution would be seen as transphobic and also as attacking sex workers. Since doing that would mean social death, the only options are to repeat the lies or to maintain them with silence.

I think I saw that tweet. It didn’t go down well.

It would behoove the police to show more interest in the recently released figures which show an increase in the number of women being murdered by men. 17 percent of murdered women are strangled, compared to 3 percent of murdered men. Their killers are successfully using a defence of consensual sadistic sex to downgrade their conviction to manslaughter. Why aren't the cops tweeting about this?

First, the numbers: there were 241 female homicide victims in the year to March 2019, a 10 per cent increase on the previous year. The number of male victims fell by 11 per cent, but there are even more sex-related disparities than that.While it’s true that men are more likely to be murdered than women, the kind of violence faced by the two sexes is very different. The ONS figures paint a stark picture of the impact of domestic violence, showing that almost half of adult female victims were killed in a domestic homicide. The comparable figure for male victims was just four per cent. We’ve known this for ages but it needs spelling out again: women are most at risk from husbands, boyfriends and family members – brothers, fathers and so on. Many of us live in fear of assault by strange men as we walk home on a dark night, yet strangers accounted for only six per cent of fatal attacks on women and girls. Of the 99 women who died in a domestic homicide last year, 80 were killed by a current or ex-partner. It’s worth saying that even these numbers may be under-estimates, because there were 76 homicides with a female victim (37 per cent of the overall total) where no suspect was identified. The most common method of killing, for both male and female victims, was by a knife or other sharp instrument. But, shockingly, women are far more likely to be strangled – 17 per cent of all female victims died in this way, compared to only three per cent of men

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/can-no-longer-put-women-danger-homes/

To acknowledge that the risk didn't come from being trans but rather from prostitution would be seen as transphobic and also as attacking sex workers. Since doing that would mean social death, the only options are to repeat the lies or to maintain them with silence

Isn't that interesting? And you are exactly right. The same crew whose slogan is #sex work is work also embrace #no debate and all its accompanying ideology....

Have the police in the UK ever done anything like this but about women killed by their partners?

I've never heard of that.

And the fact that the "engagement officer" didn't mention transmen, suggests that he is only interested in people who present with a penis. Or were born with one.

Weird.

(Not)

Having said he wouldn't delete the tweet, he's now deleted it. But hasn't admitted that what he posted was a series of lies - what is the problem in just saying he was misinformed and made an error?

Most of the rest of his thread remains up, and he's now retweeting message that his police force should get more respect.

twitter.com/cliff_goodwin/status/1244856499542900736?s=19

I just don't understand these so called 'allies'. This does the trans community massive harm, as does the supposed suicide statistics. It's just systematically trained the general public to roll their eyes and expect everything to be hyperbolic exaggeration blended with sheer make believe. Not only to not believe anything they're told but to actively expect it to be manipulatively untruthful, because it always is.

Not really helpful in a PR way.

Every time this topic is discussed, more people realise they have been lied to. Sunlight!

This is insane. What could be the motive for posting something so obviously untrue? What's wrong with these people? Have their brains fallen out?

This is where you start to realise what 'identifies as' actually means.

This identifies as being true. It creates an emotional and dramatic narrative that is both quite useful in directing other people's responses and sympathies, and the feel of saying and servicing it meets emotional needs. If you believe that feelings create reality, not facts, then this probably makes sense.

The thing is, this is performance art, and requires willing suspension of disbelief.

#alternatefacts

Not any more convincing than when Trump tried it.

It's just systematically trained the general public to roll their eyes and expect everything to be hyperbolic exaggeration blended with sheer make believe.

I was reading a Twitter thread, which sent me to another, and then a third, as it does. but a brief exchange brought me up short.

I can't remember the precise detail, but the shocking thing was that a person was being, quite genuinely, congratulated on their misfortune (whatever it was, I don't recall).

It was something like, well you've got X or Y, so good for you, and ... blah blah blah.

Person A quite obviously thought that person B having a misfortune, or something that was considered oppressive, was a good thing, a positive thing, something to be sought. Presumably as some form of armament.

It was eye-opening. Because person A wasn't, in the slightest, imagining what life would be like with this misfortune, they were seeing it purely in terms of leverage.

What about the people observing that interaction, Datun? Because at the moment I'd think most people's feeling would be that surely everyone has quite enough unasked for misfortune and is not looking for any more, therefore anyone who is actively seeking extra misfortune is...well, "a bit odd" is probably the politest thing I can say about that.

There was a fashion during early Victorian times for affluent, fashionable and non working people to diet to be thin, wear make up to look pale, and to lie around languidly on couches, affecting the 'beauty' and drama of those dying of TB. It was called 'making oneself pale and interesting'.

I often find that coming to mind.

If he deleted the tweet and said anything about the stats being incorrect in any way he'd be drummed out of the club and have a massive pile on wouldn't he?

There was a fashion during early Victorian times for affluent, fashionable and non working people to diet to be thin, wear make up to look pale, and to lie around languidly on couches, affecting the 'beauty' and drama of those dying of TB. It was called 'making oneself pale and interesting'. ..

Didn't the silly fuckers ingest tapeworms to achieve that?

More recently we've had heroin-chic, non?

There are silly people in every age.

Thank you, Cliff Goodwin, for providing yet more material to be produced as evidence that the College of Policing and its management are not fit for purpose and have been infiltrated and used to disperse trans propaganda.