Police officer posts that 1 in 12 transwomen get murdered

[jadefinch]

Cliff Goodwin, who is an engagement officer at the College of Policing, seems to be using the pandemic to post wholly untrue statistics about trans people.

He's said that 1 in 12 transwomen get murdered (no mention of transmen) and that the figure rises to 1 in 8 if they're of colour. He also said 41% of trans people have tried to commit suicide.

In actual fact 7 transwomen have been murdered in the last decade (all by men and none for being trans. One was of colour. The number of women murdered by men in that time is well over 1,300).

The 41% figure has been debunked even by trans organisations like GIDS, who say the figure is actually less than 1%.

When it was pointed out to him that these stats were untrue he said they were international figures (they aren't - they're just made up) and he won't delete them because he wants to highlight the plight of trans people so they are visible (which makes no sense). He's an engagement advisor - but then started blocking ex police officers who said he shouldn't be lying - and noone was positively engaging with him.

What has happened to our police?

twitter.com/cliff_goodwin/status/1244882805483540481?s=19

I wanted to find the original of the dodgy infographic and following the transstudent.org link above found it here:

www.transstudent.org/graphics

However, if you click on the infographic itself a (larger) modified version comes up that's missing the very misleading murder statistics:
"Trans women have a 1 in 12 chance of being murdered ..."
"... or a 1 in 8 chance for a trans women of color"

Another statistic that's been disappeared is that "30% of transwomen have been incarcerated". As the policeman found, the public don't think that this statistic casts the trans community in a good light.

Indeed. People might start googling what those people were incarcerated for and then where would their fundraisers be?

What about the people observing that interaction, Datun?

It was a comment that was tucked away, in a paragraph of commentary - difficult to explain, but I had to go back and read it twice to make sure. It was a throwaway comment sort of thing. So casual, so unaware and automatic. That's what got me the most, I think. That the actual experience of adversity is left unnoticed, irrelevant.

I've seen a similar sort of oddness around people virtue signalling about coronavirus and how people worried about it only care because it's killing "old white men", which a. it killed a whole lot of old and not so old Chinese people first and b. for some of us our greatest fear isn't Europe or the US at all, it is and has been since the beginning that this thing will hit the slums of India and the favelas of Brazil and slice through them like a scythe.

I mean, my dad is over 70 and currently trapped in a foreign country because he can't get a flight home, obviously I'm worried about him, but I'm more worried about this hitting the places that have the least resources to handle it, and why would you even use a pandemic as an opportunity to show off about how woke you are anyway? It's just weird and unpleasant behavior.

Surely everyone has a chance of being murdered?

People might start googling what those people were incarcerated for and then where would their fundraisers be? but there's always an excuse - like the person who attacked a woman who worked in a fetish gear store, who really thought that she was going to die. This was excused as the attacker being frustrated on the basis of their gender. Didn't they turn up at the HoC to give a wee talk?

What are the stats on being let off a custodial sentence or given a lesser sentence purely on the basis of them being trans - because we have seen this happen?

for some of us our greatest fear isn't Europe or the US at all, it is and has been since the beginning that this thing will hit the slums of India and the favelas of Brazil and slice through them like a scythe

My fear too. And shanty towns in African countries. I've spent some time in one and my God this will be devastating.

I'm really starting to think the police are just thick, or maybe that just applies to those in, engagement, equality, diversity, LBGT roles. Is this where they put the less than adequate officers? Can't they see the damage this idiocy does?

I am starting to feel uneasy about them, to be honest - and I was never like that (of the 'few bad apples' thinking). Now I read about people being hauled into court, held for questioning, visited on the basis of someone on the internet being offended by a pronoun. And that makes me angry - especially when you see actual crime figures.

The police are there to protect us all not dance around in a rainbow bumblebee costume, join up with dubious charities, and 'police' our thinking.

Has he deleted the tweet?

I've spent some time in one and my God this will be devastating.

If you've ever seen a slum up close and personal you can't help but realize that every step people are being told to take to protect themselves and others will simply not be possible.

On the police, I'm inclined to think sinister intent rather than stupidity. I mean, a bit of stupidity too, but genderist ideas always find fertile ground in environments where women are despised.

why would you even use a pandemic as an opportunity to show off about how woke you are anyway?

There is something so unbelievably distasteful about this. I have no idea what's wrong with people.

He removed the stats and actually had the neck to say he had to take that action because he was 'trolled'. It appears he thinks the general public questioning the statistics they could find no factual information for is 'trolling'.

Aw bless the diddums - "After receiving a bombardment of in excess of 200+ trolling comments online in my plight to highlight #transawareness-I have decided to remove the post as I felt it was doing more harm than the intented good it was posted for. Standing #sidebyside with our #lgbt community."

What a tit.

Is the College of Policing FOI able? I’m wondering if there is any scope for a FOI request about steps taken, before tweeting, to verify the factual information in the tweet, and about the policy for members of staff tweeting in a context where their role is public knowledge.

As with (seemingly) many organisations, social media is not managed by the marketing or PR professionals, but by any wee idiot who hasn't a clue and thinks they can produce any old nonsense and it won't come back on them.

They actually believe that they are speaking for their entire business/organisation, when often they are very lowly members of the staff (and probably given the job to keep them busy/from whinging in the office and issing everyone off).

It appears he thinks the general public questioning the statistics they could find no factual information for is 'trolling'.

Tis the TRA way!

I would like to think it is just the backroom idiots on these accounts, but did we not have the Chief Constable of Cheshire on twitter telling us how to use pronouns (in)correctly on a previous Trans Day of Whatevva?

Sorry - it was the Deputy Chief Constable - Julie Cooke

Not Julie Cookie?

There was a fashion during early Victorian times for affluent, fashionable and non working people to diet to be thin, wear make up to look pale, and to lie around languidly on couches, affecting the 'beauty' and drama of those dying of TB. It was called 'making oneself pale and interesting'.

Sounds a lot like 90s Heroin Chic so popular in the glossies.

Isn't that just US sex workers

My understanding is that most trans women murders are of those engaged in sex work in South America; plus I think black trans women in the U.S are quite vulnerable.

The vulnerability is with other males , though...not from women....but these sorts of excuses keep on being given for permitting male access to female spaces...as if it is women who have to make amends for male violence.

I almost applied for a job with the College of Policing but this sort of thing and of course Harry Miller put me off. It obviously wouldn't be a safe place for me to work 😕

This would appear to be the source of the 1 in 12 claim:

sillyolme.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/one-in-twelve/

It's a piece written by a transwoman in 2013 reporting what they'd been teaching in the late 1990s.

It's an interesting read, especially since apparently the number was calculated in relation to transsexuals and was not to include "private cross-dressers and part-time transfolk".

In fact, the piece is, in terms of current woke thinking, heretical enough to get the author burned as a witch. Like this:

The website, “Remembering our Dead” has long memorialized these murders, but it fails to note that most of these deaths are of transkids, not their older and far more numerous AGP “sisters”. Note that most of these murders are perpetrated by younger men… and their victims are mostly young transwomen.

Well, there was a stabbing in NY of a transwoman, pretty horrible. The person who stabbed them was another trans women, over an argument about a wig apparently.

As an aside, if anyone from FPFW is reading, may I very politely suggest their preview images are looked at?

This one, for example, looks very much like it is repeating and endorsing the fake stats quoted, until you look again and see the single word "myths" in the link title. I'm thinking nothing more complex than a "MYTH" watermark or similar across the image, to make sure speed readers get the correct message from it.