Police officer posts that 1 in 12 transwomen get murdered

[jadefinch]

Cliff Goodwin, who is an engagement officer at the College of Policing, seems to be using the pandemic to post wholly untrue statistics about trans people.

He's said that 1 in 12 transwomen get murdered (no mention of transmen) and that the figure rises to 1 in 8 if they're of colour. He also said 41% of trans people have tried to commit suicide.

In actual fact 7 transwomen have been murdered in the last decade (all by men and none for being trans. One was of colour. The number of women murdered by men in that time is well over 1,300).

The 41% figure has been debunked even by trans organisations like GIDS, who say the figure is actually less than 1%.

When it was pointed out to him that these stats were untrue he said they were international figures (they aren't - they're just made up) and he won't delete them because he wants to highlight the plight of trans people so they are visible (which makes no sense). He's an engagement advisor - but then started blocking ex police officers who said he shouldn't be lying - and noone was positively engaging with him.

What has happened to our police?

twitter.com/cliff_goodwin/status/1244882805483540481?s=19

Sure - I just think people need to be really diligent about being aware of it when it pops up and not giving it a pass. When it gets a pass in one area of discussion, people start to think its a valid way to argue.

So, thinking about this, I have seen people in other areas of interest make a similar claim that the numbers or exact circumstances don't matter, so long as the sense of the thing is correct, drugs being an example,

Interesting point - one (of the many) key reason to record sex accurately is for crime statistics, police/ criminal justice policy planning etc.

Using generalised and approximate (false) statistics invalidates them and allows gender statistics to be recorded through the back door instead of sex- if they don’t need to be accurate - gender would therefor be considered to be legitimate.

Accuracy is soo important.

The underlying assumption is "our understanding of the situation is correct and everyone knows it, therefore the real numbers don't matter." Which I think comes out of ideas held ideologically rather than empirically. Some ideas are by nature non-material of course, but anything being recorded statistically doesn't fall into that category.

But i my experience, there is real self-disapline involved in subjecting ideology to empirical testing, it almost needs to be explicitly taught and built into systems, be they policy making systems, philosophic enquiry, etc. And it often is in more developed systems but it doesn't seem to be a big part of the public discourse, and I don't see it bing taught in schools or certain university disciplines.

Bloody hell

someone has got a response to their complaint. I am really shaken.
twitter.com/SVPhillimore/status/1246125342894493698?s=20

PLEASE if you haven't, complain, complain, complain. This is absurd and terrifying.

Feh. So not being told off for attacking everyone who pointed out it was crap, not told to be careful when checking sources. Just wee tap on the back of the hand for the woman. No worries about these people representing the force? What a fool.

Yeah, nice dodge....

Time for a Daily Mail sadface I feel Spero ! Sad about what political extremist chocolate teapots some leaders in the police are while everyone else is rushing around trying to hold the country together.

Yes deffo time for a DM sad face article.

Meantine those figures have been proven to be completely bogus and cannot ever be used again.

Just a quick update.

In news that will surprise precisely no one, the College of Policing utterly miss the point.
twitter.com/SVPhillimore/status/1247993185747587075?s=20

Basically the same response they sent to others who complained, Spero?

Will you take it any further?

I want to gather as many examples of this kind of behaviour as possible. It may be possible for Fair Cop to intervene in the Supreme Court hearing of Harry Miller's appeal against the Hate Crime Operational Guidance, or provide some additional evidence. This hate crime stuff has got out of control. the police seem to be nothing but puppets now. That response was chilling.

Maybe this Spero?

www.cps.gov.uk/cymruwales/news/transphobic-hate-crime-results-increased-sentence-mold-teenager

I'm not sure what the 'transphobic comments' were, but I understand from various media that Declan was shouting "is it a boy or a girl?"

Meanwhile, in another part of the MN forest, people are starting to accuse people of Asian heritage of spreading COVID19, despite the published data showing this is not the case.

Presumably such folks are only acting in good faith about their concerns?

OhHolyJesus - you are correct!

Teen prosecuted after asking whether transgender PCSO was 'a boy or a girl'
PCSO Connor Freel was left 'vulnerable, distressed, and embarrassed' after Declan Armstrong, 19, twice shouted the question at him as he was on foot patrol

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/teen-prosecuted-after-asking-whether-17651755

Mumsnet Thread:

Teen with Aspergers convicted of transgender hate crime, he asked is that a boy or a girl

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3808928-Teen-with-Aspergers-convicted-of-transgender-hate-crime-he-asked-is-that-a-boy-or-a-girl

Police get dogs abuse on a daily basis - usually questioning their parentage and sexual preferences. I don’t see police men and women weeping. Special treatment for some eh?

What if the PSCO had simply been androgynous?

Can you still say androgynous or is it now hate-speak?

PCSO, sorry!

That case is sickening in so many ways:

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/teen-prosecuted-after-asking-whether-17651755

"Ms Jackson said: “To have something shouted at him that had such personal connotations whilst he was on his own in the middle of a public place that was rather busy due to market day footfall did leave him vulnerable, distressed, and embarrassed.”

She said it had left him reluctant to undertake foot patrols on his own.

Armstrong, of Victory Court, Mold, was convicted of a public order offence following a trial earlier this month but the court heard he still denied making the comments. Gary Harvey, defending, said: “He doesn’t hold any prejudice against anyone in society.”

The court heard Armstrong, who acts as a carer for a man he considers his father, had been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome and suffered from anxiety and depression.

Sentencing, district judge Roger Lowe said the aggravating features of the case were that Mr Freel was performing a public service as a PCSO and the incident was in a busy town centre where other people could hear what was said.

He said the sentence had been uplifted from a low level to a medium-level community order because of its transphobic nature."

Written and asked to see their social media policy and will complain directly to my MP. Urge others to do the same.

twitter.com/svphillimore/status/1248170771417047040?s=21

The Aspergers thing gets me specifically as from a short volunteer role with an autistic boy years ago, he always saw things as black or white, boy or girl, fat or thin. It's not a deliberate act to kid gender someone and especially so if your take on the world is binary.

So very wrong.

Spero I was mulling over the COP's reply to the first complaint yesterday and, this may be a bit jumbled, but the Police are supposed to work on the basis of evidence are they not and checking purported facts should be paramount? That surely is is the basis of Police work yet a member of the COP who train and provide rules and guidance for the Police (is that their remit?) doesn't follow this most basic element of Policing.

Secondly, if/when the Police are questioned and challenged in Court are they implying that is hatred?

This is chilling and sinister in equal measures, if this is the future of policing, the Police are no longer fit for purpose.

Police get dogs abuse on a daily basis - usually questioning their parentage and sexual preferences. I don’t see police men and women weeping. Special treatment for some eh?

Indeed so, Lordfrontpaw and have done forever, just look at some of the nicknames given to the Police, not nice but comes with the territory.

A member of my family is a retired Police Officer and he is disgusted at the current state of the Police, he doesn't trust them, thinks they are totally failing the public and not doing the job they have been entrusted with. Sadly, he was once so proud to be a Police Officer, it was all he ever wanted to do and now he is ashamed of what his profession has become.

The Stephen Lawrence investigation was appallingly handled and it was right that the Police were criticised and brought to book over their abject failings in that regard, but if, as Harry Miller believes, this current state of affairs is as a result of the report into that then it needs to be addressed. Nowhere did the report into the Stephen Lawrence case advocate politicising the Police and the favouring of one group over another to the detriment of the fundamentals of policing.

My impression of the police has changed over the past few years. I was watching The Sweeney last week and pondered how they have gone from that to Pee Wee Herman in a very short time.

Know the facts:

sillyolme.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/one-in-twelve/

Awesome. I love facts.
So where is the data source you used to calculate this figure?

All the stats about trans anything remind me of

"90% of autistic children showed evidence of the MMR inoculation in their bloodstreams."

This looks terrible (and caused a lot of infant mortality in a lot of countries when people were afraid of it and stopped having their children inoculated).

It doesn't say 90% of how many. Somehow "eight out of twelve carefully selected autistic children were shown to have developed symptoms of autism shortly after having their MMR inoculation, at a time when take up for that inoculation stood at 93% of the population under the age of fifteen, and one of the twelve developed symptoms of autism after having had measles" doesn't sound quite so alarming, so Wakefield and the press didn't say that.

Inaccurate data, falsified data, is dangerous.