The immigration analogy for transwomen

[MrsCollinssettled]

Did anyone see the article in Saturday's Telegraph magazine about Diana Thomas? Diana said "I use the immigration analogy because in the same way that immigrants bring to their host nation things from their own culture - food, music, whatever I think I can bring- or we can bring- something new and interesting to the female experience. And I absolutely don't deny the guy in me. I am not pretending I am not still him in many ways."

Diana believes that being female is all about the clothes (says she "has almost caught up on the 40 years of shopping she missed out on") and nurturing "I have earned my way for long enough, so yes, put a pinny round my neck and let me be a homemaker, please!"

Yes there was a big thread about it but it seems to have been deleted.

Thomas is more of a colonist. Thinks he has the right to make the rules that the natives are to abide by.

I looked but couldn't see a thread hence the post.

Wow. Just wow. As I understand it, becoming a woman makes you stupider:
that Diana’s facial surgery has subtly softened her face in rather the same way that her new identity seems to have softened her character. The argumentative, slightly domineering, Eton-educated man I remember (he was the original white privileged male), who penned a book in praise of the patriarchy called Not Guilty: In Defence of the Modern Man, has mellowed in a way that makes a lot of our conversation seem like a slightly frivolous woman-to-woman chat.

'Host nations' get to decide who they give a visa to. Thomas is a coloniser from a more powerful, more aggressive 'race'.

Thomas is bringing nothing to 'the female experience', other than discomfort or fear to some.

All this does is reinforce gender stereotypes.

Sex role stereotypes appear to be the fresh new perspective that ever male who transitions thinks they bring to womanhood. Funny how that works.

Yes, just the usual- middle-class white guy transitions and claims to be from a marginalised group.
Says he can bring 'something new and interesting to the female experience' - I fail to see what interesting things he can bring, I notice he did not mention what they were.

Many people on here found the article on DT (ie the things DT declared to be definitive of women) incredibly offensive and misogynistic and said so. The thread got deleted, with a message saying so many posts had to be deleted that they pulled the whole thing.

Very predictable. One only needs to read the article to see quite clearly what everyone found so nasty.

A regular column, written honestly about a man transitioning to a trans woman, with genuine insight and self-analysis, could have been welcomed, and educational.
If what was written was honest then it was eye-opening.

It is not the GC women on here who have persuaded me of my current views.

I was on the other thread and hadn't seen a single deletion. Or anything that merited a deletion.

I wonder if some people chose to post stuff to get it deleted ?

Me neither.

It's bizarre isn't it? I hadn't read it this evening. Did it all get terribly heated?

I generally agree that speculating about specific individuals is in poor taste, but this was all purely criticism of what DT had published in a national column. DT's assertions and opinions.

Not heated at all. Don't want this to turn into a TAAT though.
I have no idea what broke the talk guidelines and feel similarly to how I did when Lang was banned.

If this breaks talk guidelines please delete this post only mnhq. It's hard to ask what you're able to say when you can't refer to what you're not sure you're allowed to say.

"I can woman much better than those nasty actual women"

It got deleted?

Interesting. I was on there as well seemed aok calm chatty.

That’s all the “female experience” was lacking, really; men to bring a whole new interesting dimension to it 😆

I did say that DT could have bought a pink razor for 50p which would have saved DT a fortune, but I doubt that got the thread deleted

I remember being struck by DT’s comment There is a lot of nurturing in me that has gone to waste and there is a lot of love that is not being used up. DT was married with three children, with I would have thought plenty of chance to love and nurture.

What was the comment about neurotic women who are responsible for their own date rape?

Claims to not understand the fear around transwomen in public loos. Ummm..... cuz you're a guy who didn't grow up with the experience of being female.

‘I must say that I never understood why the prospect of trans people in ladies loos is scary.
The use of "trans people", which conflates males and females, when addressing women's fear of male violence is a 'tell', or some would say a red flag.

Male violence is the greatest human rights crisis the world has ever known.

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

It didn’t get heated. It is shocking that we cannot talk honestly about a deeply deeply offensive article which effectively abused and exploited every one of us.

This wouldn’t have happened if this was a BAME site. Black people are allowed to talk amongst themselves about their oppression. No one would dare tell them to be nicer.