The immigration analogy for transwomen

[MrsCollinssettled]

Did anyone see the article in Saturday's Telegraph magazine about Diana Thomas? Diana said "I use the immigration analogy because in the same way that immigrants bring to their host nation things from their own culture - food, music, whatever I think I can bring- or we can bring- something new and interesting to the female experience. And I absolutely don't deny the guy in me. I am not pretending I am not still him in many ways."

Diana believes that being female is all about the clothes (says she "has almost caught up on the 40 years of shopping she missed out on") and nurturing "I have earned my way for long enough, so yes, put a pinny round my neck and let me be a homemaker, please!"

And ‘female’ now... it seems the takeover has well and truly ramped up on taking the word female as well.

Indeed Winesalot, this is why I want the GRA to be repealed. The writer is not, never has been and never will be female and it's more than just insulting to give them the means to declare themselves so.

God, Thomas really thinks ‘wuss’ = ‘woman’?

And I have never had a man ‘gently’ let me know I am being hysterical.

Well quite. Hysterical is a put down, designed to immediately shut you up and demean you at the same time.

It's not, and never has been, a term of endearment.

Seriously, Thomas. Get a grip.

God, Thomas really thinks ‘wuss’ = ‘woman’?

Well, Thomas did write about having special feminisation voice coaching to make Thomas's voice sound "a little more whiny".

I'll remember that next time I have to deploy my parade ground voice to muster people's attention in a crowd. Flick my hair, slap on some lippy and whine at them or risk social death by seeming unladylike.

FGS

My husband says I have a great ‘drill’ tone!

Over a lifetime, I have often watched people of both sexes dealing with someone they have reason to think is not all there, has a screw loose, or is not dealing from a full deck (choose the slightly derogatory phrase of their choice to apply to anyone with psychological difficulties).

They tend to be kind to such people, because melt-downs are difficult and time-consuming to deal with and those with difficulties may be more prone to meltdown. Also, many of us have seen the video of male reaction to a shop-assistant accidentally getting something wrong...

So I'm sorry to tell you this, DT sweetheart, but people being patronisingly nice to you isn't validation of your viewpoint; it's acknowledgement that they are of the opinion that you are a bit weird and they don't want you having a hissy-fit at them.

Still musing on the fretting to the point of hysteria about putting shopping away, I don't know anyone female, or indeed male for that matter, who finds putting shopping away so panic inducing, they just, you know, get on with it without making a fuss. I similarly can't imagine his ex(?) wife being so overwhelmed by a shopping delivery so my only conclusion is that the writer is correct it is their own self delusions driving this behaviour.

I’m also wondering, possibly unfairly, whether DT ever did the shopping for DT’s father pre transition? Is DT doing it now because it’s a woman’s role so now appropriate, or could it be that DT’s wife is no longer doing it?

Still musing on the fretting to the point of hysteria about putting shopping away, I don't know anyone female, or indeed male for that matter, who finds putting shopping away so panic inducing, they just, you know, get on with it without making a fuss. I similarly can't imagine his ex(?) wife being so overwhelmed by a shopping delivery so my only conclusion is that the writer is correct it is their own self delusions driving this behaviour.

Other MTF trans people have claimed taking oestrogen makes them unable to open jars or do basic maths.

Other MTF trans people have claimed taking oestrogen makes them unable to open jars or do basic maths.

JFC, but even more proof that this is all a result of their own self delusions, has no basis in reality, and they have zero knowledge of anything remotely to do with adult human females aka women.

Bit outing this, but here goes. My son’s boss hitched a lift one day. When he got in the car, he discovered the driver was male, but done up to the nines in women’s clothes. Apparently the driver not only simpered throughout the journey, but also seemed to be driving badly, quite deliberately, and made it clear the supposed feminine personality was unable to drive.

These are men who despise women. The mentality behind wanting to be that which you hate is wholly beyond me.

I'm an nhs worker on the frontline. Believe me if this person has to come in with covid19 we'll need to know if they're male or female. No amount of legal fiction will change that.

Don't worry Mamello, you'll definitely know...

It is a perfect illustration of how a man can never be nor understand what it is to be a woman, men believe that the attention they deem to give to women and girls should be appreciated and welcomed at all times and in all circumstances

God this is so true.

And proof also that D Thomas has not grown up as female - has NO IDEA what it's like to be a girl. To start to understand that those "sexist micro-aggressions" have consequences - consequences such as rape, 241 women murdered last year, and a 15% pay gap. As well as countless examples of self-harming, anorexia and ROGD.

Fuck that's made me angry.

My son’s boss hitched a lift one day. When he got in the car, he discovered the driver was male, but done up to the nines in women’s clothes.

Of course actual females are mostly rather wary of picking up random male hitchhikers....

Good point, Fanny!

It’s as though Thomas fell asleep in 1950 and is just coming-to 70 years later

Ripette Van Winkle? If someone is incapable of putting away shopping it's definitely not because estrogen or femininity, given that women sort shopping all the time.

Other MTF trans people have claimed taking oestrogen makes them unable to open jars or do basic maths.

As a woman I can attest to the fact that we are generally able to do both of those things. If it's true that trans women post estrogen can't do those things then that would be an indication that taking estrogen is very bad for them, so maybe they should stop doing that.

Is it the delusions or the drugs they take to enhance the delusions that are interfering with their ability to function, I wonder.

Just rereading your post, Asking:

Over a lifetime, I have often watched people of both sexes dealing with someone they have reason to think is not all there, has a screw loose, or is not dealing from a full deck (choose the slightly derogatory phrase of their choice to apply to anyone with psychological difficulties).

They tend to be kind to such people, because melt-downs are difficult and time-consuming to deal with and those with difficulties may be more prone to meltdown.

I would be scrupulously polite to any male I found in a woman’s toilet, not because of kindness, but out of wariness.

If someone was treating me with that sort of exaggerated care I'd assume they must think something was wrong with me, and not in the "delicate ladies so fragile isn't it all lovely" sense.

AnyOldSpartabix
I would be scrupulously polite to any male I found in a woman’s toilet, not because of kindness, but out of wariness.

I've only ever encountered one male in a women's toilet, and that was the UKIP candidate at a hustings being held in a school: he had been directed to it by a member of the school staff because it was easier to find than the gents at the extreme other end of the building.

He was utterly mortified and deeply apologetic, and I genuinely did feel sorry for him and entirely sure he'd had no idea that a ferocious woman who knows him by name and address (from before he took to politics) and knows his mother was already in there when he came in.

But I think that was something of a special case!

But I think that was something of a special case!

I’ve had a not-dissimilar special case. Looking for a toilet in a railway station, I finally found the ladies. The door was propped open so the logo wasn’t obvious, but I checked as the signs that directed me there were very unclear.

As I was washing my hands, a young man came out of one of the cubicles. He looked stunned to see me there, and asked in what looked like genuine confusion, whether this was the ladies. I confirmed it was and sent him a reassuring smile as I believed he had made an error and was embarrassed.

Perhaps I should have added into my earlier post that I would be wary of any man who looked as if he considered he had every right to be in a space reserved for women.

Last weekend DT wrote about the death of her father. Traumatic, yes, but again one of the most important things about her father’s funeral was buying a pretty black dress.
I absolutely hate how being a woman is being reduced to nice hair, depilation, buying pretty dresses and being caring. 🤮

I do, to some degree, sympathise with people who don’t feel like they can be themselves, but reducing “being a woman” down to the stupidest, most outdated stereotypes makes my blood boil.

What on Earth is wrong with just bring who and how you are and not giving a shit about gender stereotypes? And keep out of my and my dd’s changing rooms. We can be friends without you “emigrating” into my private spaces, thank you very much.

If the GRA is repealed, will this mean the Equalities Act will have to be amended?
I hope so.