The immigration analogy for transwomen

[MrsCollinssettled]

Did anyone see the article in Saturday's Telegraph magazine about Diana Thomas? Diana said "I use the immigration analogy because in the same way that immigrants bring to their host nation things from their own culture - food, music, whatever I think I can bring- or we can bring- something new and interesting to the female experience. And I absolutely don't deny the guy in me. I am not pretending I am not still him in many ways."

Diana believes that being female is all about the clothes (says she "has almost caught up on the 40 years of shopping she missed out on") and nurturing "I have earned my way for long enough, so yes, put a pinny round my neck and let me be a homemaker, please!"

Thomas knows nothing of female socialisation.

Most females learn through bitter experience that males, particularly the ones with both a sense of entitlement and a fragile ego, can be scary and dangerous.

I don't doubt that some women will pander to Thomas. Appeasement will be second nature, sadly.

I'm not sure that I believe that any of the interactions with fawning women Thomas lists happened outside of Thomas's own head.

I'm not sure that I believe that any of the interactions with fawning women Thomas lists happened outside of Thomas's own head.

Same here. We have a family member who will regularly exclaim how everyone is lovely to them, from the window cleaner to the plumber.

They couldn't do enough for me. Aren't you amazing, they said. They trill and cosset and look on in disbelief at the many virtues this person clearly possesses.

Except everyone else I know, thinks they are an absolute twat who will drain your entire life force within seconds, and couldn't be more narcissistic if they tried.

Funny that.

Poor Mrs Thomas. Can you imagine.

Fixed it. We know, mate.

Now, many an intelligent, independent, grown-up woman might ... But I am not one of them.

And it's not mean or hurtful to recognise a man as a man. The really cruel people are those who lie to people that it's possible to be sex.

When I first saw this column on the Telegraph I thought they were making a mockery of women and gender disphoric people who transition, but the more I see I realise that they're shining a light on the thing we cannot name because it doesn't exist even though it clearly does exist .

My sympathy is with Mrs Thomas and the junior Thomas's and all other family who have to live through this, its a terror to behold.

Diana is very tight-lipped whenever the question of Diana's ex-wife and children comes up. Diana makes it clear it is not something Diana wishes to discuss. Ever.

Given that Diana is so very eager to share with readers every fleeting bubbly thought and changeable emotion that Diana feels, I can't help feeling that silence often speaks volumes.

I wonder if Mrs Thomas was judged as being ‘not up to scratch’ because of the insane stereotypes written in these columns!!!

I mean, imagine having to be told you are hysterical or assured all the time. And that every stress can be papered over with lippy and immaculate hair. Ffs.

I think they may not be of the “stunning and brave” mould. More power to them.

This is a mans view of women and a very old fashioned view at that. It’s as though Thomas fell asleep in 1950 and is just coming-to 70 years later and hasn’t yet heard that Britain has had 2 female Prime Ministers, a female head of the stock exchange, female Chief Execs, a female leader of Europe, more female graduates than males. And that talking about women as ‘hysterical’ and ‘emotional’ is just, well, passé. The sort of thing your embarrassing old uncle comes up with when he’s had a few drinks.

Just caught up with this thread. Fuck me.

I know Tinsel, I foolishly thought it had finished after the big reveal.

I think every time Thomas will write something for the next few months, they will certainly open more and more eyes.

The paper just needs to slip an article or two in each week about living with a narc, sex fetishes, ROGD, the GRA being parked etc.

*The cans, packets and bottles piled up around me as I desperately tried to keep up with the trays being carried in from the Tesco van outside. ‘Don’t you fret, my dear,’ the kindly, middle-aged driver said, as he began to lend a hand. ‘We’ll soon get this sorted.’

Now, many an intelligent, independent, grown-up woman might bridle at being called ‘my dove’ or having a man very gently let her know that she’s becoming a touch hysterical, but not to worry because he’s going to make everything all right. But I am not one of them.*

In the, (slightly bowdlerised), words of Dorothy Parker:

“And it is that word “hysterical,” my darlings, that marks the umpty place in “The Delusion of David Thomas” at which Tonstant Weader Fwowed up.”

It gives the impression - wholly misleading, I am sure - that the former David Thomas spent so much of his life "very gently" letting women know they are "becoming a touch hysterical" that the new Diana Thomas is quite enjoying the reverse experience.

As the former David must have so fondly imagined the women in his life did.

I don't swear as a rule but really, sometimes, there are no other words that will do.

I’ll wait until I have completed this process, surgically and legally, before I definitively say, “I am female.”’

So at what point does every single cell in your body change from being male coded to female? Is it an instantaneous thing and what triggers it? 🤔

The middle paragraph of this bit is definitely a slip in the matrix where for an instant DT sees the real world underlying the coerced fabrication.

Sadly, however, some people haven’t got the memo. Immediately I got a comment to inform me that I was wrong. I could never be female, that was basic science. ‘You will always be male.’

That is about the nastiest, most hurtful thing you can say to a transwoman. It effectively denies our identity, as if we are simply the creations of our own self-delusions. So it hit me like the proverbial punch to the gut.

But then I thought of all the lovely women who have welcomed and embraced me as one of their own. And I got up, tidied my hair, swiped on some lippy and carried on with the rest of my day.

Immediately I got a comment to inform me that I was wrong. I could never be female, that was basic science. ‘You will always be male.’

That is about the nastiest, most hurtful thing you can say to a transwoman. It effectively denies our identity, as if we are simply the creations of our own self-delusions.

Humans cannot change sex, therefore males will always be male & females will always be female.
Doctors should be building resilience in people to accept that this truth.

(& there are of course many far worse things a person might be told)

The nastiest, most hurtful thing you can say to a woman is that any old bloke who fancies putting on a frock and a bit of lippy is exactly the same as her and has the absolute right to access her safe and private spaces 😡 That her needs doesn't matter a scrap

The cans, packets and bottles piled up around me as I desperately tried to keep up with the trays being carried in from the Tesco van outside. ‘Don’t you fret, my dear,’ the kindly, middle-aged driver said, as he began to lend a hand. ‘We’ll soon get this sorted.’

Now, many an intelligent, independent, grown-up woman might bridle at being called ‘my dove’ or having a man very gently let her know that she’s becoming a touch hysterical, but not to worry because he’s going to make everything all right. But I am not one of them.

As if. This shows so clearly that the writer knows absolutely nothing about what a woman is and does. The whole fretting to put the shopping away as quickly as possible? The killer line of not being one of those women, news flash you are not a woman full stop.

" It effectively denies our identity, as if we are simply the creations of our own self-delusions."
Ooh, he was so close there ...

I got involved in a Facebook debate about self-declaration: the idea that a transperson can just say, ‘I am a woman,’ and immediately make it so. As I have said before, I’m not a fan.

I believe that claims should be backed by evidence. So, I posted, ‘I’ll wait until I have completed this process, surgically and legally, before I definitively say, “I am female.”’

So Thomas still describes & regards himself as male and will continue to do so until he has had genital (?) surgery & obtained a GRC?

" It effectively denies our identity, as if we are simply the creations of our own self-delusions."
Ooh, he was so close there ...

I think it's deliberate

I have never been called ‘my dove’ [not envy]. And I have never had a man ‘gently’ let me know I am being hysterical. Usually in a blunt patronizing manner if at all. If I get hysterical, it is normally due to something major and I am concentrating on fixing the issue. Me! Me fixing the issue, not expecting a knight in shining armour to fix it.

That is one hell of a delusion Thomas has going there.