Is it ever acceptable to hire a cleaner?

[Dances]

The fucking Guardian, where 'sex work is work' calling out women for using cleaners.

God I'm so depressed with these arseholes

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Because cleaning is women's work?

Because all cleaners are women?

Because outsourcing "women's work" to other women is feminist betrayal?

And people wonder why The Guardian is struggling for funding...

Don’t worry - Janice is on the button... as usual.

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I have had a cleaner who is a man and he didn't identify as a woman whilst he cleaned.

What does that make me?

Bloody Guardian would probably think it was really empowering if the cleaner was naked

Thank the goddess for Janice!

Well funny you said that Gibbins

Get your tits out for the planet. The first response was asking if these young women knew how long it took us to get rid of page 3.

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I am off for a wine and it's only Monday.

The question is too stupid to waste time on.Sorry not getting at the OP but at the Guardian.

Caroline - Real Feminists XX

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@VictoriaPeckham

And just think about where that leaves poor women with few skills who would rather work as a cleaner for another woman than let a man pay to rape them

This exactly. I'm not bothering to read The Guardian article- life is too short.

It seriously pisses me off that I am not supposed to respect and appreciate the full range of skills and professions whereby women choose to make their living.

Why does cleaning get this spurious analysis and yet hairdressing doesn’t?

Sorry!

There is skill in cleaning things properly.

And a certain pride in doing it (well anything) properly.

It is so true about the 'Male' household tasks being outsourced, painting, joinery/DIY- no fucking shame in that though eh? My DH can get out of putting up the shelves but I need scrub our own loos.

I read that article and I was furious. I employ a female clesner. I pay much more than the minimum wage because I pay what her work is worth to me.

I can no longer keep my home as clean as i like to because of various health issuse. My cleaner needs the money. What's the problem? I'm not exploiting the fact she's female and she's not exploiting the fact I'm old and disabled. It's just a fare exchange in our eyes. Her ability to clean exchanged for my ability to pay

Or where the alternative would be to stay with an abusive man? What about seeing it as me using the additional earning power that I have gained via education to help other women who haven’t got that whatever reason, or who prefer cleaning to other work?

I was about to reply to say that I had thought of taking a cleaning job and I hope that people would find it acceptable to hire me if I did so! But I've realised that's not the point of the thread so I'll go and read the article.

Oh,oh I think I know the answer to this!!

Sex workers enjoy what they do and it is an active choice, while cleaning is something that desperate,poor,working class women are forced into and being taken advantage of.

Re the bare chested Climate Change types - do they honestly think that people wouldn’t immediately clock them as female even with their tops on? It’s madness. Like people who think the only thing that might out them as trans is their paperwork....

Yes, panic - working class women, are never sex workers in the Guardian’s world. It’s all students and high class escorts. And they are never drug addicts, or anything like that.

Harriet
I didn't have a point re this thread except the fury that a job done predominantly by women outsourced to women should be so maligned.

We should be doing our own fucking scrubbing . Not to do our own fucking scrubbing is selfish and privileged.

Women who do the scrubbing for money are to be pitied. ' Scrubbers'

This was written by a woman.

There is not enough wine.

Of all the things we should question whether it is acceptable to do, employing a cleaner doesn't even make the list!

I read this yesterday and it was infuriating.

I have a specific skillset. People pay me to use my skills when they could do it themselves but they either lack the time, skills or inclination. Hurray! I give my time and skills, they help pay my mortgage.

I pissing hate cleaning. If I pay a living wage to another person who chooses to earn their living cleaning, how is that any different?

I have a friend who runs a gardening business. Are the people who hire her unfeminist because she does manual labour for them?

And EVERYONE knows that a female human shield protest is not going to get attention.....

UNLESS......

DUN DUN DUN....

THE WOMEN GET THEIR TITS OUT!

But it's not that old fashioned page 3 getting tits out , nooooooooo, this is 'progressive' getting tits out

So who is actually going to do the cleaning then? Maybe all the people who work for the guardian just live in filth? They sure as hell cant all be sharing a house with a man that actually cleans!

I refuse to click on a Guardian article (and I used to be a subscriber) but I got a cleaner so I can spend more time with my mother in the last year or so of her life as well as running a business and coping with an anxious teenager. Is that acceptable?

I can't believe it's 2020 and someone is still asking this.

It seems to be pay exorbitant fees (£40 for two hours?!?) thus preventing women on a lower wage/income from getting a cleaner or check your privilege woman and scrub your own damn toilets!

It says a lot about women's place in society on the outside,paying through the nose(literally or metaphorically) for it or doing it themselves.

If men did cleaning and childcare perhaps we’d see the emergence of the following:

Hygiene Consultant

Bacteria Analysis & Elimination Process Engineer

Domestic Designer

Storage Solution Architects

Refuse Management Design & Execution professionals

Nutrition Manager

Investment in Educational Futures - Research & Delivery

(We’d probably just get the piss taken out of us calling it that, of course)

Sorry, have gone off topic but was riled by the tits out thing on the Janice Turner thread

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