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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Happy International Women's Day!

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theflushedzebra · 08/03/2020 01:10

Happy Day all you adult human females!

Men cannot be women.

Woman is not some man's feeling.

This day is for WOMEN. Wine Thanks

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theflushedzebra · 10/03/2020 12:52

Reminded me very much of the bloke in the Telegraph, who has been diarising their transition (age 60) while "still living as a man" - who has been glorying in the estrogen-produced breasts he's (living as a man, remember!) has been developing, and boasting about all the women's toilets he has visited. David something.

It's difficult not to see autogynephilia and fetish, (rather than gender dysphoria) screaming out at you.

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R0wantrees · 10/03/2020 12:54

Sue Pascoe witness
Women and Equalities Committee
Tuesday 13 October 2015
parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/4e7f52c6-1357-43f8-98c0-af160b156b40

Alongside Sue Pascoe is Christie Elan-Cane who today lost an appeal to remove male/female sex from British passports
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3844124-Gender-neutral-passport-rules-are-unlawful-Court-of-Appeal-hears

R0wantrees · 10/03/2020 13:02

Reminded me very much of the bloke in the Telegraph, who has been diarising their transition (age 60) while "still living as a man" - who has been glorying in the estrogen-produced breasts he's (living as a man, remember!) has been developing, and boasting about all the women's toilets he has visited. David something.

It does seem that some older males are enjoying being commissioned for roles & as writers as a consequence of their public late-transition rather than perhaps their skills/experience/talents.

ThePurported · 10/03/2020 13:07

Interesting how that BBC clip made your friend see the light, Purported - I find it's often something relatively insignificant that makes the penny drop, and people think "hang on a minute"

I know! He is a close friend and fully up to speed about yaniv etc but very prone to telling women to be kind. I'd sort of 'given up' on him tbh.

R0wantrees · 10/03/2020 13:45

A couple of my male friends had a similar response to the 2018 Sky segment on proposed changes to GRA when Sue Pascoe & Jess Bradley were interviewed.

I was initially a bit frustrated that the logical comments by women had less effect than segments when Bradley & Pascoe were speaking.

R0wantrees · 10/03/2020 14:39

Thanks to youtube algorithms Ive just listened to an interesting speech by Germaine Greer from 2012 Festival Of Dangerous Ideas

On Women's Liberation...

lightlypoached · 10/03/2020 17:12

@R0wantrees that's such a clear explanation, thanks for the links.

Lordfrontpaw · 11/03/2020 15:41

I note that the Royal College of Nursing building in central London didn’t take a break on flying the rain or flag to make IWD.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 13/03/2020 10:37

To circle back on my own comment on this thread:

I have been searching for the tweet this weekend which wished "women and ciswomen a happy IWD". Maybe one of you saved it?

I found it - see pic. And again - "Fuck off with this shit"

Happy International Women's Day!
Lordfrontpaw · 13/03/2020 14:01

Well that says it all...

Italiangreyhound · 14/03/2020 11:58

Thanks dir including us! It's so fuckibf laughable. One day the hand maidens will awake!

Lordfrontpaw · 14/03/2020 12:01

Next year we won’t be included at all! Oh well, all those cancelled parades this year...

HorseWithNoLang · 14/03/2020 12:08

They always have seriously shit avatars.

MoleSmokes · 20/03/2020 08:07

That Tweet convo BuzzShitbagBobbly!

How self-degrading! Sad

Furry: "Happy International Women's Day to women and cis women"

Actual woman: "Thanks for including us!"

Furry: "Always! cis women are women."

Her latest blog post is really sad:

"ON BEING SURROUNDED AND FEELING ALONE"
www.amandajetteknox.com/blog/surroundedandalone

Snippets:

. . .

"Last night, I paused a show in the middle of an action scene, turned to my wife and said, “You know what? I’ve never had more people around me, and yet I’ve never felt more alone in my life.”

I started crying. “I’m sorry,” I said, as she wrapped her arms around me. “It’s so stupid. I’m sorry.”

“It’s okay,” she said. “I know, honey. It’s going to be okay.”

. . .

"“You know,” she said to me, as we were driving home on this unseasonably warm winter day. “You don’t have to do this work, babe. You’ve done a lot already. You can stop anytime.”

“I know,” I said. I think about it every time things get hard. I could just delete all my social media and walk away. I could choose to write fiction, or magazine articles on organization and the latest footwear trends. I could start a dog rescue or become a gardener. I could paint – I love to paint.

“But here’s the thing,” I said to my wife as we drove by snowy fields. “I hate how lonely it feels sometimes, but I love what I do. And I want to believe that it matters.”

. . .

(It ends . . .)

"I need to start celebrating my own successes. I want to feel the excitement. I haven’t been letting myself get happy about these big accomplishments – the ones that far exceed any dreams or expectations I’ve had of myself – because I know that somewhere out there, there are people who resent those accomplishments. How unfair of me to rob myself of that. I won’t do it any longer.

It’s time for me to shine again. I deserve this joy. I deserve happiness. And I don’t need to feel alone, because there are plenty of people who might not fully understand what I’m going through, but are waiting with tape and glitter glue and hugs, ready to help heal a broken heart.
. . .

I have cherry-picked so it is not that obvious what it is that she has found isolating and upsetting. I just got the feeling reading the whole thing that she is not living her own life, knows it but can't deal with it.

Like any story, real or fiction, once it is out there it becomes what readers make of it, so maybe that reading says more about me than about the author. I had quite a long relationship in the past with a man who, I realised eventually, was a compulsive liar - seriously so, pathological, about the biggest and the smallest things, constantly. It really does your head in and there were things in that article that resonated.

I hope that if she ever feels able to seek support for herself, rather than support for her to support others, that she finds the Trans Widows Support Thread.

LadyQuarantinaPluckington · 20/03/2020 11:23

Knox has really boxed herself into a corner with this, sadly. I agree that the hope is that she would have a moment of genuine self awareness and find freedom, but she has sunk everything into the lie; her marriage, her own sexual orientation, the wellbeing of her child, her prolific online activity, the people she surrounds herself with, her career etc.

It's not in the least surprising to read her disquiet bleeding through her forced smile words, but similarly to Susie Green, the investment is so profound, pulling away would be unspeakably painful and horrific because of what you would have to confront about yourself and your behaviour.

I think it's just a human thing that we would rather live with a sense of misgiving we keep squashed down than openly acknowledge our complicity in horrific things.

EmpressLangClegInChair · 20/03/2020 11:25

I think it's just a human thing that we would rather live with a sense of misgiving we keep squashed down than openly acknowledge our complicity in horrific things.

Yes. But what happens when that sense grows too strong to be squashed?

LadyQuarantinaPluckington · 20/03/2020 12:35

Empress, well either genuine contrition and a repentant change of heart, but more likely a whacking great breakdown, sadly.

R0wantrees · 20/03/2020 12:56

thread with important resources:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3452784-Coercive-Control-a-need-for-better-awareness

EmpressLangClegInChair · 20/03/2020 13:56

That’s what I was thinking too, Lady.

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