Happy International Women's Day!

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Happy Day all you adult human females!

Men cannot be women.

Woman is not some man's feeling.

This day is for WOMEN.

This thread had me musing this morning - I really miss the wit and wisdom of Magdalen Berns.

Yes, it is offensive, deeply so.......perhaps even more offensive to many women than 'misgendering' might be to someone who goes along with that whole idea

I used to think of it as an insult on first coming across the word on these boards, after reading more on the subject now though, I just think "meh."
Still not overly keen (I'm just a woman, don't really need prefixing with anything) but I can see how it's a useful descriptor so doesn't really bother me.

I can see how it's a useful descriptor so doesn't really bother me.

The overwhelming majority of women here do not see it as a descriptor at all. It is perceived by us to be a gross insult to the female sex.

We all know that women are the female sex. It is written in our law.

We also know that a minority of people view such statements as "Women: adult human females" as "transphobic", thereby acknowledging that so-called "transwomen" are not women [not females]. This, no creation of any subset of women is required.

Some inspiring pics on here of sheros.. how strong can women and girls be in the face of violence

www.boredpanda.com/powerful-women-protesters/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic

The word 'cis' as a prefix to woman attempts to make women merely a category in their own sex. With, you guessed it, "transwomen" as the second category.

It is no different to saying "transwomen are women" which I utterly dispute. Women are the category of humans who are born female - no more, no less.

Allowing males to trample all over the definition of woman, and call it hateful and transphobic, is about as far from feminism as anything can be.

I don’t believe there is a 4 year old. I don’t know any respectful 4 year olds. They’re all bonkers and eat bogeys. But anyway my five year old knows that girls don’t have willies.

The patriarchy is now wearing a dress and lipstick

Yep but it doesn't rock either anywhere as well as I do

I don’t believe there is a 4 year old. I don’t know any respectful 4 year olds. They’re all bonkers and eat bogeys. But anyway my five year old knows that girls don’t have willies.

We also know that a minority of people view such statements as "Women: adult human females" as "transphobic"

Yep, apparently I'm transphobic. It was on Twitter so it must be true

I can see how it's a useful descriptor so doesn't really bother me.

Perhaps it’s a useful descriptor for you, but it’s completely irrelevant to any woman who thinks gender is a load of regressive bollocks.

Cis is superfluous. There are women and transwomen.

There's another thread at the moment discussing whether we need a word to describe the people formerly known as woman, in case anyone has missed it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3842366-There-has-to-be-a-word

I must admit my first encounter with mumsnet was on maternity leave, bored, analysing the Aibu board and feeling slightly guilty for the judginess it induced... (and once mumsnet helped me fix a flooded dishwasher..) but this feminist board is the most amazing resource and I’m so grateful to the women who post on here...

A few years ago I may have gone along with TWAW... not because I believed it a factually accurate statement (I mean no one can really) but as a statement of kindness to others and accommodation for how they want to be perceived... live and let live as long as it’s not hurting anyone else etc...

Not any more! I’m afraid the trans lobby have burned their bridges and have taken advantage of the good intent/wokeness/naïveté/dgaf attitude of the public to force through an agenda that presumably underlied their ideology all along.

I’m always wary of any sort of discrimination olympics, everyone has their own issues to deal with... try explaining white male privilege to an under-achieving boy, growing up in poverty in an ex mining village where no one has a job... but that doesn’t give anyone the right to take something from anyone else. That’s the point, hardline TRAs must hate women if they want to destroy their rights to dignity and erase their need for specific protections relating to the immovable realities and vulnerabilities of their biology.

If a woman’s rights and well being were made into a cake, she would lose them slice by slice, big and small - depending on her background, culture and situation. Sometimes donated willingly for the good of another - sometimes in extremis - (see women delaying chemo to protect their unborn child) or the more commonplace loss of career advancement and stretch marks and pelvic floor issues caused by childbirth...

But to have the very last piece they fought to retain for themselves taken away by those who would erase and usurp them... but still expect them to exist, birthing new humans and wiping the world’s arses.

They can stick their self-ID, female penises and cis nonsense! Happy IWD (for yesterday)!

I won’t say trans woman unless I have to
There are men and women. I will say trans sexual.

See also, Dances the damage these Autogynephilic men do to their wives / ex-wives and children:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101834-trans-widows-escape-committee

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3471122-trans-widows-escape-committee-2-the-trans-widows-strike-back

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3668898-trans-widows-escape-committee-3-rise-of-the-trans-widows

These are the women and children who need our support, empathy and compassion, not the men who do this to them.

Shocking ☹️ Such brave women...

particularly bizarre how the new stunning and braves who think they are actual women, still want the women in their lives to be quiet, get on with the housework and gaslight them into thinking that they are now lesbians and their sexual preferences don’t matter.... sounds rather misogynistic to me

Same here Siameasy, I prefer to use the correct terminology which is MtF transsexual or FtM transsexual.

The word 'cis' as a prefix to woman attempts to make women merely a category in their own sex. With, you guessed it, "transwomen" as the second category.

I actually think it’s more of an attempt to make women the secondary category in their own sex, with male born people who identify as trans, as first. We’ve seen evidence of that with the number of male born individuals that have been put out front and forward at the likes of women’s marches and organisations.

Yes Lord I shall use those. The word trans woman is a weasel word because people think it’s a type of woman

There have been quite a few instances crop up of the phrase 'women and Cis women' being used.

The second sex even within the colonised realm of 'women'.

So, yeah, any woman with an ounce of self respect and respect for other women will reject this nasty linguistic trick.

Yes I've seen "women and cis women" too. Unbelievable dickery.

The word trans woman is a weasel word because people think it’s a type of woman

I tend to omit the space between "trans" and "woman" - it makes it clear that I don't use "trans" simply as an adjective to describe a sub-set of "woman" - say, in the way that we might say "black woman" or "tall woman" or blonde woman." It makes it a different category.

Transwomen are transwomen - and there's nothing wrong with that.

I note that the first post of this thread (and a number of others that follow) centre the advancement of women on the denial of recognition to trans women.

To the who posted this. IWD focuses on the strive for equality as much as women's achievement. The strive for equality will be lost on you because you're a man so you already have it. As a man you don't need the rights and protections that women have fought for and which the trans movement seeks to erode. So the denial of recognition to men who identify as women is central to the ongoing fight for equality.

I actually think it’s more of an attempt to make women the secondary category in their own sex, with male born people who identify as trans, as first.

I have been searching for the tweet this weekend which wished "women and ciswomen a happy IWD". Maybe one of you saved it?

Just fuck off with that shit.