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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Drag Queen Story Hour in Scottish Primary School

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rogdmum · 23/02/2020 09:22

Well, not branded as story hour, but the drag queen is reading a story to primary school children... Brought in by an MP (Mhairi Black)

“Thank you to Flow and @MhairiBlack for sharing their experiences with us today. It was really important to hear about Section 28 and the negative effect it had. Thankfully now we teach #LGBTEducation proudly at @Glencoats_PS #LGBTQProud @LGBTYS @LGBTHistoryScot

twitter.com/m_watsonht/status/1230607443455025157?s=21

[Edited by MNHQ to remove image at OP's request]

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McPeaked · 25/02/2020 19:38

Finally the photo of the class is off the Instagram account.

Aesopfable · 25/02/2020 19:44

It is not just that posting photos is bad form: it can also place a child in danger. Children who have been rehomed in secret - either because their mother has fled her abuser or because they have been taken into care - can be put at very real risk if their location is revealed.

Effzeh · 25/02/2020 19:49

It is not just that posting photos is bad form: it can also place a child in danger. Children who have been rehomed in secret - either because their mother has fled her abuser or because they have been taken into care - can be put at very real risk if their location is revealed.

Yes, I am aware.

But even in the absence of overt safeguarding issues, it's generally considered not okay to post photos of other people's children on social media, even if you know them well enough to know there aren't any specific problems. It's just become a thing that you don't do. Even within extended families people get huffy about use of their children's images without permission.

Unless you're a glittery porny drag performer, clearly. Hmm

DidoLamenting · 25/02/2020 20:16

If you are going to be ostentatiously Scottish do try to get the words right.

It's "weans" - not "wains"

NeurotrashWarrior · 25/02/2020 20:19

Great spectator article.

What essentially pisses me off is that schools can't fund visiting artists let alone things like this.

What about a gay author reading a story or an illustrator visiting?

It's not creative or enriching. People don't really know what those words actually mean in practice in schools.

Lordfrontpaw · 25/02/2020 20:42

@DidoLamenting at least it wasn't Waynes! My mum uses to call kids 'awww the wee ones'.

Lordfrontpaw · 25/02/2020 20:44

@Dances - that is beyond grim. Even made paedo jokes as part of his 'act' - playing wide in the open, isn't that the tactic these days?

transdimensional · 25/02/2020 21:19

Not sure if this has been posted, but Scottish education secretary John Swinney has repudiated the invitation issued to Flow, albeit implying that it would be OK to invite a drag queen provided they didn't have such a dodgy social media account.

Swinney dodged questions about Mhairi Black, but said parents' concerns were legitimate.

What was most amusing was that apparently a newly appointed SNP spin doctor, who tweeted in defence of the invitation last night, had to perform a rapid U-turn. ( www.heraldscotland.com/news/18260220.education-secretary-condemns-school-visit-drag-queen-called-flowjob/ )

NeurotrashWarrior · 25/02/2020 21:20

Essentially the same quote as in the herald but this is from the TES, thankfully.

*This afternoon, Scottish education secretary and deputy first minister John Swinney said that Flowjob “quite clearly” should not have been invited to address pupils at the school and that "lessons have got to be learnt", but he did not directly criticise SNP colleague Ms Black.

He said: “I think the whole question of enabling young people to understand LGBT issues is an important element of equipping young people to understand the modern world, and that’s an implicit part of the health and wellbeing element of the curriculum.

“But quite clearly this was an invitation that should not have been issued, given the background material that had been on the social media account of the individual concerned.

“I understand that Renfrewshire Council has apologised for that, and I think that’s the correct thing for them to have done.”
Asked what he thought of Ms Black accusing online critics of homophobia, he said: “I think what’s important is I think parents have raised quite understandable concerns about this matter, which is why it was correct for Renfrewshire Council to express an apology about the fact that this invitation has been issued.

“The invitation was issued in good faith, because the school was trying to do something which I think is important, and that is to respond to pupil aspirations to understand more about LGBT issues, and I think that is an important hallmark of our society – that young people want to understand that.

“But, crucially, we have to be sensitive about the invitations that are issued to enable that to be done, and in this case that’s not been done, and Renfrewshire Council are therefore quite correct to have apologised for this.”

Mr Swinney said his officials had spoken to the council.*

www.tes.com/news/drag-queens-visit-primary-sparks-social-media-storm

NeurotrashWarrior · 25/02/2020 21:20

Cross post transdimensional!

Lordfrontpaw · 25/02/2020 21:53

So the man who tweeted last night - was that like one of my after dinner late night tweets (hic)?

littlbrowndog · 25/02/2020 22:43

Twitter

Clear to everyone but @MhairiBlack, @MhairiHunter, @HannahB4LiviMP, @AngelaCrawley30 and the rest?
Also worrying to see Scottish children's charity heads @SallyAnnKelly1 and @margl43 retweeting Black's posts.
Do they not know a safeguarding risk when they see it, @JohnSwinney?

littlbrowndog · 25/02/2020 22:45

Children’s charity’s in Scotland agreeing with Mhairi black

Omg how did my country get to this

Lordfrontpaw · 25/02/2020 22:49

Which charity?

littlbrowndog · 25/02/2020 22:53

Children1st and aberlour children s charity

Lordfrontpaw · 25/02/2020 22:55

Well they get a big chunk of National Lottery money don’t they? It seems that charities attract rum sorts.

DidoLamenting · 25/02/2020 22:56

mobile.twitter.com/sallyannkelly1?lang=en

Including retweeting this gem.

Mhairi Black MP

@MhairiBlack

Yet so many people in my mentions want acknowledgment of LGBT people shut down because you still think there’a something inappropriate in our existence. You’re willing to see another generation of LGBT people growing up believing that who they are should be hidden away

Nobody, absolutely nobody said that. She's making things up.

littlbrowndog · 25/02/2020 23:08

It seems money and power will induce people to,betray the ones they are meant to protect

ApplesinmyPocket · 25/02/2020 23:39

"Yet so many people in my mentions want acknowledgment of LGBT people shut down because you still think there’a something inappropriate in our existence. You’re willing to see another generation of LGBT people growing up believing that who they are should be hidden away."

Sigh, Mhairi! I think most of us would be more than happy to see positive reinforcements of homosexuality naturally presented in schools - books featuring families with two mums or two dads, gay teachers feeling able to mention their partners to the kids - "No, I don't have a wife, I have a husband" - but that's not performing one's highly sexualised fetish in front of an audience of schoolchildren, is it.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 25/02/2020 23:41

*(As a bisexual woman, I am particularly offended by this recent craze that drag queens are the only way to 'educate' young children about people who are not heterosexual.)

Seconding this. Even if they're putting on a child appropriate act, what does seeing a drag queen read a book teach kids about people who're bisexual? Or lesbians? Or even gay men who aren't drag queens? Is the idea that if you expose the wee ones to the most visually extreme aspect of the gay community you can find then everything else will seem like no biggie in comparison? So like how you'd show a big spider in a glass box to someone who's scared of them, but with homophobia rather than arachnophobia as the target?

Why would the lesbian phone and internet installation person who comes out every time there's a problem not be an equally good choice? Or my gay cousin, who's a lawyer?

bellinisurge · 26/02/2020 06:36

Exactly @TheProdigalKittensReturn - being gay or transgender means you have to be an exhibitionist drag queen.
I must tell my unassuming diffident colleague with her wife and child that she's doing "gay" wrong.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/02/2020 07:22

It’s because performative identity is required. Gay people who just want to live a quiet "normal" life aren’t gay enough. Trans people who just want to live a quiet "normal" life aren’t trans enough. If you’re not pushing boundaries, you’re “fitting in”, and that makes you a traitor to the cause.

Lordfrontpaw · 26/02/2020 07:41

The emphasis is very much on gay in their identity.

They are a gay whatever - not a whatever who happens to be gay. Is that how we really want society to define itself? Sexuality/gender - then who we actually are/job etc.

bellinisurge · 26/02/2020 07:46

Steph McGivern, Ruth Davison, Pete Buttiegeig, Leo Varadkar. All doing gay wrong. All terrible role models for children. Hmm

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