'Virtue signalling coward' Labour's war escalates

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The Labour war over the trans pledge has escalated, with Rebecca LB et al accused of virtue signalling cowardice. Also, the decision to allow self identified 'women' onto women's only Labour shortlists is going to be legally challenged. Labour have created this absurdity and now the laughable contradictions will be exposed to public scrutiny and ridicule.

Labour’s civil war over transgender rights descended into even deeper bitterness last night after one of Jeremy Corbyn’s senior aides called leadership hopeful Rebecca Long Bailey a ‘virtue-signalling coward’ for threatening to expel feminists from the party – and a crowdfunded legal challenge was mounted against the party

I feel really sad. I'm close to jacking it all in and leaving the wokesters of every gender and both sexes to reap what they have sowed. Screw them. Why should I fight for their freedoms and safety when they call me names, smirk at my concerns and tell me I'm irrelevant now my childbearing days are over. I'll be dead before some of them reap the "rewards" that are surely coming their way. If they don't care, why should I? I try to keep going because I have neices and nephews. If only my brother hadn't had children, I'd wash my hands of the whole bloody lot. They don't deserve the sacrifices being made for them. I'm sick of smug, smirking thirty somethings telling me how unwanted I am.

womaninblue just read your post and wanted to say you're not alone in how you feel. It's profoundly depressing for us older women to see young women sell all women down the river and call us transphobes, bigots, etc. However, I am heartened by how much more awareness this issue has now, compared to 2 years ago and how unpopular it is with the average person. ( I'm not a fan of the DM but they've had some excellent articles on this and the vast majority of the comments underneath the articles can see how ridiculous it is ).

I just hope that if all of us, in our own little ways, and within our spheres of influence, keep calling it out, protesting, speaking out, crowd funding to the cases going to court, that eventually we will win.

What else can we do?

Rebecca Long Bailey 'clarifies'
www.newstatesman.com/politics/labour-leadership-race/2020/02/rebecca-long-bailey-clarifies-stance-women-only-spaces-and

Dawn Butler doesn't
metro.co.uk/2020/02/18/labour-split-dawn-butler-says-trans-men-never-put-womens-jails-12260746/
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3825633-Dawn-Butler-and-biology

This article by the chair of Labours Trans Rights campaign really should be read by everyone who has signed the 'pledge' or is asking questions of those MPs who have.
tribunemag.co.uk/2020/02/the-labour-campaign-for-trans-rights

Soooo that clarification does not appear to recant the accusation that WPUK is a hate group. Nor does it mention the ‘pain’ caused to so many women by the specific crimes perpetrated against us by men, or the real effects and limitations that and cultural sexism has always placed on lives.

Bovary, we’ve been abandoned by the newspaper we thought was on women’s side. So I welcome the support of the rightwing press, even though i disagree with them on most other issues — on women’s rights, they’re simply expressing sane views.

But don’t forget the communist newspaper Morning Star. It’s one of the few leftwing sources that hasn’t thrown women overboard.

I rejoined the LP to vote in the leadership contest.
I have therefore received a number of text messages from the various candidates campaigns asking whether I will be supporting them - Emily Thornberry, Angela Rayner, Rebecca LB. Each time I have replied with a long message about why not. I have heard nothing more - but haven't been expelled yet...

It will all be automated I suppose. No one is looking (even if they did they have their hands clamped over their eyes).

How on earth is this going to play out, both in Labour and in our wider society?

It seems to me that heels on the trans side are well and truly digging in and the more Angela, Lisa, Dawn and RLB are questioned, the surer they seem to be of their position.

Keir will have to walk a tightrope, at least at first.

So the only outcome will be a haemorrhage of GC labour members. The only question is whether a flood or a trickle.

Or am I wrong?

Labour will remain unelectable, at least until the conservatives admit they feel the same way, then they'll be no one to vote for.

Ever see the old Star Trek episode where a tricky alien is threatening everyone, bullying the crew etc - and the punchline - as Captain Kirk thinks they are all doomed - was the the alien was actually a kid alien and his mummy came and told him off?

It’s a bit like that. There are a few very vocal hardcore activists, many hangers on (lacking critical thinking), those nodding so they don’t get attacked, plus idiots on social media who just like to argue.

don’t forget the communist newspaper Morning Star

Because genderism is neo liberal- subjective and individualistic. Corporations love it. It's about focus on the self. It does nothing to challenge existing power structures and inequalities; it distracts from all that.

Bovary, we’ve been abandoned by the newspaper we thought was on women’s side. So I welcome the support of the rightwing press, even though i disagree with them on most other issues — on women’s rights, they’re simply expressing sane views. But don’t forget the communist newspaper Morning Star. It’s one of the few leftwing sources that hasn’t thrown women overboard

Well said.

This article by the chair of Labours Trans Rights campaign really should be read by everyone who has signed the 'pledge' or is asking questions of those MPs who havetribunemag.co.uk/2020/02/the-labour-campaign-for-trans-rights

Just skim reading that for now...but in doing do i see no mention whatsoever of women, or of any conflict of rights. It's like women don't exist - except as a collection of nuisance bio- chemicals who are getting in the way of liberation.

...also much of the language of feminist debate has been appropriated, I notice...in the same way that the language of gay rights was, initially.

Women only exist in the sense of what they want to take.

But whatever ideological coating they choose, what unites them is more than what divides them, and that is a fundamental hatred of trans people

Yeh, right......

Nobody is that bothered.....until you start colonising their language, their space and their existence.

All of the talk of hatred and " denying trans people existence" is a oerfect example of projection. anyone who speaks out, or stands up, or questions this invasion - is accused of the very sentiments that seem to drive th trans movement. Hatred of feminists, of women, and of the fact that women actually exist and are real.

Women only exist in the sense of what they want to take

Exactly! A perfect inversion of what is actually happening.

The high levels of mental illness that trans people suffer as a result of transphobia

If "transphobia" is people's awareness and recognition that males are not really females; and that women are a real group of people with their own specific needs and requirements........then that might well accentuate the cognitive dissonance that trans people feel. The same dissonance and mental health issues that have led to feelings of dysphoria in the first place.

If you total sense of existence depends on people confirming your reality and personal feelings ( against the flow of reality), then you are likely to be walking a life long path of angst.The solution to mental health issues and deep unhappiness is not to attempt to bludgeon the world into conformity.

We must work to help provide the legal advice needed to gain a Gender Recognition Certificate, which extends our otherwise limited personal rights, or support volunteer clinics which provide the temporary guidance needed for medical transition

Exactly what rights do trans people not have....? All citizens have the same rights in the U.k. It seems that what is really wanted is extra, additional, special rights..... . now if that meant access to third spaces, then I'm sure there would be little resistance......but if it means invading the spaces, services and sports long fought and campaigned for - that belong to other groups......then that is quite a different matter, naturally.

We really need to start countering the talk of 'trans rights are human rights' with precise questions as to what rights trans people do not currently have? At the moment it is just trotted out time and time again as some sort of mantra.

We need to look at more closely the whole issue of rights. Who has them? What are they? Are there any conflicts? How do we manage conflicts?

At present the clear, but unvoiced conflict, involves women's rights and spaces...and the solution is for women to "shut up and be kind".

Taking the rights away from another group isn’t ‘rights’ it’s got another name.

The only mention of women comes when it is said that we must insist that there is no opposition or rights between trans people and women

Insistence is all well & good - and that is where the mantra TWAW originates......but let's actually unpack that statement and look at the reality. The whole trans agenda relies on a refusal to look at the facts and details - as they affect all of us...not just trans people.

Maybe it’s a huge joke - performance art to see how far you can take it?

we must insist that there is no opposition or rights between trans people and women

You can 'insist' all you like, it doesn't make it true.

Otherwise I would be 'insisting' that I won the lottery the other week and am now a multi millionaire!

If the writer of that article is the same Torr Robinson that I suspect, then he seems to spend an inordinate amount of time writing FOI requests to police forces around the country: www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/torr_robinson