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Graham Lineham on Newsnight tonight!

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Destinysdaughter · 10/02/2020 21:53

Just saw this on Twitter. Should be interesting...

Graham Lineham on Newsnight tonight!
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DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 11/02/2020 14:45

TammySwansonTwo Wed 06-Mar-19 14:53:48
”I’ve bored everyone here with it multiple times but essentially I was on gnrh analogs from 25-27 for endometriosis. Suffered a wide range of side effects which never went away. First it was blamed on ME then fibromyalgia, now they’re saying it’s depression. Whatever it is presents much like hypothyroidism but with levels in normal range, and pretty low oestrogen levels ever since. Doctors don’t care. I’ve been unable to work properly for 8 years, I’ve had no sex drive for almost the whole of the last decade.”

From this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3525450-Tavistock-s-Experimentation-with-Puberty-Blockers-Scrutinizing-the-Evidence?pg=1

Iggypoppie · 11/02/2020 15:08

@glinner you are so right about this being a hinge moment.

You've done so much however so please take care of yourself.

stumbledin · 11/02/2020 15:40

Sorry no time to read the whole thread so I may be repeating what has already been said.

re the interviewing style. It seems to me the women who have been gracisously allowed by the BBC to be the face of Newsnight have somehow swallowed the notion that the only way to interview is to be agrressive and interrupt. As someone who always though Paxman was an arrogant fart, I am concerned that women feel they have to ape this stupid male antagonism. I suspect they have also been told its good for click bait as no doubt someone will cut and trim to make, in this instance Glinner, look out of their depth.

The problem with this style of interview means you never get to hear the full arguement or reasoning of the person being interviewed.

I think the emphasis by the interviewer on it being about the "choice" of young women a deliberate decision to make it look like a man was telling (young) women what was right or wrong.

I cant imagine being able to get out any sort of sensible sentences in these circumstances, and thought it good that at least newsnight were acknowledging that it isn't just some terfy women who are concerned about what is going on.

Hopeful the combination of the interview and Glinner being so high profile will mean some people might investigate further what the issues are.

re should he have been invited? Well there had been a newspaper article and newsnight often follows up on that, but strange that the interviewer didn't want to talk about why Glinner speaking up for women has lost him work, and who is behind that.

Hopefully if newsnight is so concerned about a man talking about this they will invite some women to come and be interviewed by newsnight.

But suspect it is far more likely they will get someone from Stonewall and they will focus on the Nazi comparison, and they will come over as harrassed martyrs.

Its only like this, staged skirmishes, because the BBC is doing its job of reporting news.

ludog · 11/02/2020 15:47

ArchBishop Comerford of Wokeus Dei isn't happy that Glinner was allowed to get his points out on national TV. Much better to vilify him and not engage with his points twitter.com/AidanCTweets/status/1227121068378394626?s=19

MsMcWibble · 11/02/2020 15:58

I have a theory that Aiden is in love with Graham. He is so obsessed.
I love this quote
Doesn't matter. He got his talking points out.

"Women can't speak about this."
"Rape/Death Threats."
"They're experimenting on kids who still believe in Santa."
Etc.

The entire riposte was "yeah, but you're a toxic, offensive arsehole" which he sort of admits.

He wins.
Of course he wins Aiden you massive plonker - because there is no arguing with these facts - that's why Stonewall wouldn't turn up to argue.

vickyjgo · 11/02/2020 16:14

I think its hard to defend yourself when you have frankly given the interviewer so much ammunition to take you down with. Firstly he is a man talking "for women", then he accuses people of being "Nazis" which was an open goal for the interviewer and it looked like she had plenty more she could have used. The point the interviewer was making was not to judge his position but to ask has his intervention caused the arguments to become more toxic?

PrincessButtockUp · 11/02/2020 16:20

An FOI request would be the way to get specific data from the Tavistock trust but the NHS is usually pretty good at publishing aggregated data on all sorts of things. Is there anything in their annual report for example?

MsMcWibble · 11/02/2020 16:22

vickyjgo More toxic than the rape threats being hurled at women?
Still, as Aiden pointed out - Glinner got lots of great points across, including that women aren't being allowed to speak.

DickKerrLadies · 11/02/2020 16:22

What is transition if not a form of 'conversion therapy'? Especially remembering that the phrase itself originally was not about trans people.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 11/02/2020 16:22

Yes, for once I agree with Aiden.

Glinner wins.

Strangerthantruth · 11/02/2020 16:25

I think an argument that people can't describe as toxic isn't really an argument, its a mutual admiration society.

He didn't get taken down did he? He does think that things happening to children are eugenics, who in their right mind doesn't?

Now is the time to talk about it, the hinge moment as he said. I doubt we will ever stop using nazis and fascism as metaphors because it seems to be the edge of humanity over which the world almost fell ( flat earth metaphor!). The skill in managing this comparison is beyond many, so go there at your peril I suggest.

Strangerthantruth · 11/02/2020 16:31

Oh poor Aiden is cross, but he's right, Graeme won!

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 11/02/2020 16:42

Wow. Just watched it. Glinner came across as passionate and concerned. Not what I was expecting from the thread. He also managed to get a lot of the points across. Fantastic.

GiantKitten · 11/02/2020 18:21

An interesting exchange on Sarah Brown’s twitter thread about this thread.
Sarah Brown claiming that Sarah Brown is a “stupid female” Hmm

mobile.twitter.com/GoatSarah/status/1227013852979769344

Graham Lineham on Newsnight tonight!
GiantKitten · 11/02/2020 18:22

Oh, & Zoe O’Connell is also a “stupid female”

They’re good at this being female lark, aren’t they.

DeeZastris · 11/02/2020 18:25

I think Glinner did a great job. If you have to shoot the messenger it means you tacitly agree with their message Wink

theflushedzebra · 11/02/2020 19:02

Zoe O'Connell is not female.

theflushedzebra · 11/02/2020 19:02

*Neither is Sarah Brown.

boatyardblues · 11/02/2020 19:04

Awaits the puff of smoke on the preceding two posts.

theflushedzebra · 11/02/2020 19:17

My posts should not be deleted, Zoe & Sarah are transwomen - it is within the MN rules to state the fact that transwomen are male.

ThePurported · 11/02/2020 19:19

It's like a Two Ronnies sketch, a pair of 'lesbian' males bitching about women.

theflushedzebra · 11/02/2020 19:23

Sarah Brown also told another candidate to "suck on my formaldehyde soaked balls" after Sarah lost out in the council elections.

You don't hear many females saying that.

AnyOldSpartabix · 11/02/2020 19:29

which was an open goal for the interviewer and it looked like she had plenty more she could have used. The point the interviewer was making was not to judge his position but to ask has his intervention caused the arguments to become more toxic?

That might have been ostensibly the reason for the interview, BUT Graham used that space brilliantly to put across points about the debate itself.

Listened to it at work! No images, but Graham, you came across as passionate and self-deprecating. It was clear you wanted to raise the voices of others. I think a lot of points came over loud and clear.

And Lamahaha, I’m delighted to hear that writers often find it hard to talk. I can’t even negotiate with my boss without falling apart, but I can write.

Graham, you were great. Thanks.

Amalfimamma · 11/02/2020 20:12

Sarah brown and Zoe O'Connell are referring to the wen in this very thread who referred to the interviewer as a "stupid woman"

This thread is indeed a hive of misogny

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