Graham Lineham on Newsnight tonight!

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Just saw this on Twitter. Should be interesting...

No time to watch, just wanted to post thanks to Glinner.

I just watched and was relieved to see many of the points put across clearly and with conviction. Interviewer wasn't any more forceful or interrupting than Emily Maitliss on other occasions, imo. Interviewer had toxic/nazi/toxic/nazi on repeat and was not at all curious about 35 resignations at the main UK gender clinic. She must be the only person on the planet who hasn't heard the mantra "born in the wrong body. Not great journalism.

@DuLANGMondeFOREVER www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1ZhhWJkT7sQ6KWk304wVdkK/contact-us
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Also! Sunlight and discussion is what is needed here, I would worry less about how people come across. We're not selling anything, we just need questions to be asked and people to hear voices to counter the 'TWAW, no-debate' mantras. So it all helps. Even if someone comes across garbled or awful, if it prompts people to start asking questions, it's all to the good.

DuLang I can’t see a way to contact Sarah Smith directly although it looks like she is Scottish Editor of the BBC so possibly a letter to Glasgow would get to her? Although the BBC website says all enquiries should go to the main BBC address in Darlington:

www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/scotland/about/contact

I’ll be writing as well. I thought her comments about children making these decisions about medicalisation were appalling. Children/adolescents are being led down a set path by adults .

Missed bellinisurge’s post. I think I’ll use that link- says you can mark it confidential so possibly would get to her if marked confidential for her?

Just listened and I thought Graeme came over brilliantly well. The whole Nazi metaphor does get a bit done to death but that's the case across the board, we currently get to Nazi in just about any subject very quickly for some bizzare reason! I suppose Nazi is a metaphor for evil/the devil now.

He got a ton of stuff in there and it was all about listening to women, not experimenting on children and listening to whistleblowing medical professionals. Great stuff. Maybe the posters here thinking Sarah spoke to much are doing this thing where they regard a woman talking a quarter of the time to be too much, I thought it was balanced really.

It's not that the interviewer was a woman @Strangerthantruth it's that she is there as an interviewer. She is meant to facilitate the interviewee being able to talk about what they have been invited to talk about. Not cut their flow off and interrupt them.

Maybe the posters here thinking Sarah spoke to much are doing this thing where they regard a woman talking a quarter of the time to be too much, I thought it was balanced really

With respect, I don't think that's a fair criticism. It wasn't the quantity of her input but its quality. The role of a skilled interviewer is to allow the interviewee to set out their position; from there it's up to the audience to make up their own minds about whether they agree with that or not.

Of course, an interviewer should challenge things, ask for evidence or further clarification, expose things they don't think are true or fair etc, but ideally the interview should move forward and remain open. SS repeatedly blocked open discussion with comments like 'That's ridiculous' and used a scoffing, sneering tone which was entirely at odds with her accusation that GL had ramped up the toxicity of the debate.

It would have been a much more effective interview if she had retained a more neutral tone, and given GL space to expose his alleged horrific transphobia. Since this obviously wasn't going to happen (because there is no horrific transphobia, only legitimate concern) she resorted to goading.

I thought it was balanced really.

I did as well.

Facilitator and interviewer are two completely different things. I don't want to listen to a facilitator enabling an issue to be presented unquestioned, I want to listen to a journalist interviewer pushing to test the depth and validity, which is exactly what happened, Grahame came back over and over with brilliantly informed answers.

I thought he was excellent. Nervousness or otherwise can be distracting to watch, but actually I think he did a brilliant job.
She raised the point about nazis which he duly responded to, and rightly defended. This will be a major peak moment for a LOT of people.
I was introduced to this by Glinner, but the person that led me in to the rabbit hole was Lisa Muggeridge and her Indignant rage about the girl guides/Challenors. It’s extremely powerful to hear the rage and fury. This is what Graham did in newsnight; it May gave sounded extreme to people new to this but it will open a lot of people’s eyes. He’s dead right, and very compelling.
He’s done us proud. Thanks Glinner.

I think she is rightly pulling him up on the nazi thing. I mean godwins law is a very well know trope on the internet, if you are going to go there you will be pulled up and scoffed at as people are all so sick of the trivialisation of such a thing really, but he did manage to pull that back to some credibility by saying it's not about concentration camps, it's about standing back and doing nothing.

I lot went on in that short session, not least him mentioning Kathleen Stock many times...

I haven't been able to bring myself to watch it yet. Looking through his tweets, it doesn't look like he's slept much.
I am really worried about him. Glinner - please look after yourself and thank you for everything you do.

I watched this after having read the first page of this thread. I was dreading what I might see but although it wasn't a smooth, media-trained performance, it probably came over as more sincere and honest for that. He got several good points in, silenced women, rape and death threats from TRAs, mass resignation from the Tavistock, hinge moment etc. Thank you Glinner for continuing to support women.

I think Sarah Smith had to appear aggressive as there wasn't a counter argument (Stonewall rep) to interview. They'd have been accused of massive bias otherwise. But her repetition of the Nazi accusation was intellectually leaden.

I think he did really well, certainly doesn't reflect what was said on Twitter.

Thank you, Graham.

Read the thread first, then with great trepidation watched the interview - but was hugely impressed. Glinner came over as such a nice honest kindly man and his obvious nervousness only underlined that. The point about some children still believing in Santa at the age of ten was very telling - people who are new to all this will remember that. As for Sarah Smith - I quite like her on Today but she was beyond aggressive. Glinner controlled himself admirably, thus coming over as more reasonable than ever!

So thank you, Glinner - hope you can take a couple of days off now!

"The point about some children still believing in Santa at the age of ten was very telling - people who are new to all this will remember that."

agree. Also, the thing about prostate cancer drugs being used was news to me.

I just wanted to add my thanks to Glinner for continuing to speak out about this - so many people telling him to shut up, plus the police visits etc - must be so traumatic. It would've been far easier for him to shut up, but he hasn't.

I've just re-listened, and he does manage to make some great points, and with passion.

All that has changed is privileged students have adopted a set of gender identities that allow them to be considered marginalised.

Excellent point. And of course can be expanded privileged men have...

I've just watched it and think Glinner did well. He kept talking and kept getting his points across and I think his comment that the bar for transphobic comments and transphobic hate crimes has been set very low will resonate with a lot of viewers.
Many doctors are concerned about the numbers of young people they are seeing with gender dysphoria. The BMJ had a recent article from a journalist suggesting GPs prescribe hormones to young people on gender clinic waiting lists and of the 4 rapid replies published 2 were from doctors opposed to this idea and concerned about the tend to prescribe puberty blockers and cross sex hormones and agree with young people that they are in the "wrong body" and the only doctor pushing for GPs to prescribe was the currently suspended Helen Webberley. www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m215/rapid-responses

"stupid female" and "fucking woman" on a feminist board. Bloody hell. Check yourselves.

Rebecca Thanks for that link, the responses are well worth reading.

I see the disgraced former GP Helen Webberley is demanding that patients be given medication instead of therapy, whilst advertising her off-shore hormone prescription business.

Glinner you did well. She was distracted by stupid points. I've been shouting on twitter for you, specifically the points you're making and tried to make on the show.

Re whether he's got a voice here or not, Glinner's point is that women get shit flung at them for speaking out; he has a platform and so I welcome his input. Although I obviously see now he's loosing that platform too. We all need to keep shouting the same points over and over and over again, like broken record.

Ignorance, sheep like stupidity and deliberate arrogant ignoring of parents, detransitioned people, clinicians and the brushing off of anyone who is speaking out about safeguarding around this debate is overwhelming the facts.

Keep repeating. Keep sharing.

stupid female" and "fucking woman" on a feminist board. Bloody hell. Check yourselves.

This.