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Graham Lineham on Newsnight tonight!

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Destinysdaughter · 10/02/2020 21:53

Just saw this on Twitter. Should be interesting...

Graham Lineham on Newsnight tonight!
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Destinysdaughter · 11/02/2020 06:14

Wow Graham is trending on Twitter. Over 12 thousand tweets!

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RuffleCrow · 11/02/2020 06:17

I didn't know it was possible to silence someone by agreeing with them Hmm

motorcyclenumptiness · 11/02/2020 06:27

The BBC really needs to drop the 'impartial and independent' claim, no one's fooled. GL did a grand job - esp given the fact that the interviewer had such an embarrassingly poor grasp of the issue.

snappycamper · 11/02/2020 06:38

Borntobequiet She is bloody awful on today, didn't see newsnight but I imagine it's the same woman.

bellinisurge · 11/02/2020 07:07

I just watched the Newsnight interview on iPlayer. Although he was obviously nervous - and why shouldn't he be - I thought he did great. The "hinge moment" comment was brilliant.
She was just doing her job - it sounded very "Devil's Advocate" which is fine and I think he managed to get his points across very well despite that. He sounded heartfelt and honest.
Thank you, Glinner.

Floisme · 11/02/2020 07:22

Glinner, you could have chosen to keep your head down like so many others are doing but you haven't. Thank you, I really appreciate your speaking out.

Kantastic · 11/02/2020 07:23

He has PTSD. Absolutely clear.

I had often wondered how on earth he is able to cope with the absolute mountain of shit that is thrown at him, especially given that the TRAs seemed to step up the abuse when he was going through cancer treatment. And I'm sure what I've seen publically on his Twitter timeline is just the tip of the iceberg.

After watching that interview it's clear it's not just a case of being phenomenally thick-skinned, the abuse and vitriol is getting to him just like just like would to anyone. I really hope he is doing whatever he needs to do, to look after himself.

Fieldofgreycorn · 11/02/2020 07:29

It wasn’t long ago that Emily Maitlis was being lauded on here for doing a good Newsnight interview with a psychiatrist from GIDS. Others accused her of interrupting. Just rewatched the interview, she does, quite a lot.

Linehan was invited because he’s well known. The media does this all the time - they want names. Most people haven’t heard of Docstoc.

Sharron Davies and Germaine Greer have all been given BBC air time on this subject. Martina Navratilova was given a whole documentary.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 11/02/2020 07:43

Why do people say "nobody is telling children they were born in the wrong body" when it's exactly what they are saying?

Kantastic · 11/02/2020 07:45

Did Mumsnet ever answer about the Block Poster button?

I just went off to Site Stuff to contribute to the most recent thread on that.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 11/02/2020 07:46

Haven’t watched it

But I can’t stand interviewers who interrupt for no reason and by the sounds of it thats what was happening

BringbackLang · 11/02/2020 07:46

Thank you @glinner

Mossyrock · 11/02/2020 07:51

Thank you @Glinner.

I wish that more dads would speak up like him. Of course women should be listened to (he made that clear). But not only women. Men are just as responsible for the safeguarding of children and teenagers. They need to step up.

ChattyLion · 11/02/2020 08:00

Glinner that interviewer was appalling. You did a good job of the limited areas you were allowed to talk on. But presumably you were invited on to talk about how speaking out had affected your career and why you feel there is a culture of silence when people speak up on this one issue. (Otherwise why’d they ask you on now when you’d just had two articles published on that point this last weekend- yet weirdly you were fighting even to shoehorn that in at all- plus the police interest etc- while Sarah Smith talked over you. You got the very good ‘hinge moment’ point in though- thank you. Spot on.

But instead Sarah Smith wasted question after question on how you’d tried to call out authoritarian at best but often threatening, misogynist, homophobic views online ... by her basically saying you’d not been nice enough in the words you’d used. It wasn’t objective to focus only on your wording in a tweet and not the substance issues at hand. guess she was diverting the discussion and shooting the messenger because she didn’t like to see the truth? Not very impartial.

In general there’s no excuse for ignorant, leading aggressive interviewing like that. Plus on the issue of her not apparently accepting that kids are being encouraged for believe they are in the wrong body and therefore medical and surgical interventions are justified- that’s just baffling: It’s a central premise of this political dogma.

Smith’s dismissive attitude to you raising this point appears unfortunately disingenuous on the specific issue of gender nonconfirming and/or distressed children in GIDS and research around the experimental treatments that they are given- (without the safeguards of being given these treatments as part of properly run robust research.)

Hannah Barnes and Deborah Cohen at BBC Newsnight have in recent months done some very important journalism on this topic of how children are treated at NHS GIDS and the lack of research follow up including them writing a letter published in British Medical Journal exposing important issues about how what ‘research’ there is, is being done. Their work caused the research regulator, the Health Research Authority, to issue a defensive response addressing some of what they’d raised. Emily Maitlis as a Newsnight interviewer has asked questions of an NHS GIDS spokesperson about exactly this issue prompted by her colleagues’ investigating- obviously well on top of her brief.

Why didn’t Sarah Smith seem to know or care about any of this factual background of concern about experimentation on children, which had been raised by investigative journalists from her own programme, Newsnight?

IPlayer link to the Maitlis interview:
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000bpx3/newsnight-25112019
starts at 13.25 Until 36.00

Can everyone who thought this was not an even handed interview please let the BBC know?
www.bbc.co.uk/contact/comments

Thread about the Newsnight journalists’ investigation with lots of helpful detail here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3645243-Newsnight-tonight-Britains-Experimented-with-Puberty-blockers

ChattyLion · 11/02/2020 08:02

*It wasn’t objective to focus only on your wording in a tweet and not the substance OF THE issues at hand.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 11/02/2020 08:25

I think that it's worth remembering that all sunlight helps, and Newsnight must have a massive viewer ship.
So many of us were very strongly TWAW previously and the beginning of the journey to gender critical is often those first few moments of unease.
I'd be willing to bet there are a lot of people out there now, who haven't thought about this much, but are having their first inklings that there is something wrong, even if they haven't recognised the whole of it.
Thank you @Glinner. I can't imagine the pressure you're under.
When all this shit finally comes out and people look back on it as the Savile-like scandal it is, your name will be one of those that is remembered for speaking out.

happydappy2 · 11/02/2020 08:36

Glinner thank you, it looked really uncomfortable. Might it be an idea, when interviewed next, to just ask the interviewer ‘how do Drs know a child is trans and not gay?’ There is no defininitive test is there? so Drs could be eliminating the next generation of gay children.....why are stonewall not concerned by that?

I don’t mean to be critical-I hope yr ok.

boatyardblues · 11/02/2020 08:39

I caught the beginning of Glinner’s interview. Sarah Smith was incredibly hostile and her constant interruptions made the interview almost impossible to follow. Nonetheless, Glinner made some strong points which will definitely prick up a few ears & prompt viewers to read around the topic. It would have been impossible for Glinner to have that interview two or three years ago and that’s important in itself.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 11/02/2020 08:43

My stepdaughter was absolutely told that ‘being born in the wrong body’ was likely the reason she was so distressed at growing breasts, by the school bloody counsellor, no less!

When what had really happened was she’d been sexually harassed by an adult man for the first time. Now a double mastectomy is her preferred choice as a strategy for avoiding more wanted sexual attention.

She’s 13, for fucks sake.

Anyone got a contact for Sarah Smith? Will happily send a proper, hand written letter telling her she’s absolutely fucking wrong on this.

ChattyLion · 11/02/2020 08:52

That interviewer was ridiculous the more I think about it. Interviewer saying as a slap down to questions raised about idealogically-led experimentation on kids, ‘but you’re not a medically qualified doctor’, or whatever?
.. right, like her Newsnight investigative journalist colleagues aren’t doctors?
Like detransitioned woman Keira Bell and the mum of a child in GiDS bringing their legal case currently aren’t doctors?

And what about the doctors speaking up?
what actual doctors are saying:

www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3371/rr-0

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3339177-Excellent-BMJ-Article-Responding-to-Previous-One-Featuring-ATH

Doctors are also whistleblowing from the Tavi, as Glinner said:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3509817-Times-16-2-1-9-Staff-at-trans-clinic-fear-damage-to-children?msg_id=85018074#85018074

ChattyLion · 11/02/2020 08:54

HappyDappy - very important and excellent direct question to ask.

DuLANG - Flowers to you and your stepdaughter. I’m so sorry that that has happened to her, it must be awful for her and all of you.

popehilarious · 11/02/2020 09:03

Glinner from the Newsnight tweet before you went on it was obvious what the agenda was: not to explore views about transgender ppl but "Tonight, we'll ask him if his "forceful" posting undermines the arguments he wants to make?"

ThinEndoftheWedge · 11/02/2020 09:21

Thank you Glinner

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 11/02/2020 09:29

My stepdaughter was absolutely told that ‘being born in the wrong body’ was likely the reason she was so distressed at growing breasts, by the school bloody counsellor, no less!

You know why so many young girls are distressed at growing breasts? Men, who the moment we have boobs refuse to leave us the fuck alone. Perhaps this is something a person working as a school counsellor ought to be aware of.

Also it surprises me not the tiniest bit that some people can't tell the difference between an interviewer interrupting someone and browbeating them.

RoyalCorgi · 11/02/2020 09:35

Linehan was invited because he’s well known.

And also because he'd just had that big piece in the Mail on Sunday. He's newsworthy.

I haven't watched it, but I remain grateful to Glinner. It's not an easy thing to do, to stand up like that for the courage of your convictions. He could have opted for an easy life and hasn't done.

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