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Keir Starmer webchat

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LangClegsOpinionIsNoted · 31/01/2020 14:34

Can we work together to create a question that includes as many key points as possible, so that we don't get locked out of the discussion as we did on the Jess Phillips one?

Jess ignored my "what is your definition of woman?" question, I don't know if KS would dare answer it either.

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Langbannedforsafeguardingkids · 03/02/2020 10:08

MNHQ said there was to be no more questions on the topic women on this board are most concerned about about 3.6 seconds after announcing the web chat.

That is a damning fact.

However I think we've all been quite clever at asking questions which skirt around the topic and address key elements of TRA ideology without actually asking a question directly about what the definition of woman is.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 03/02/2020 13:40

He's on now. Not saying anything much of substance so far, regards feminism not a peep.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3810484-Webchat-with-Labour-leadership-contender-Sir-Keir-Starmer-MP-on-Monday-February-3-at-1-30pm

midclegs · 03/02/2020 13:45

He's not going to answer any of the gender identity extremism questions is he.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 03/02/2020 13:54

I have this feeling that journalists like Janice T and James K are intently watching these political webchats, the WPUK conference and other news items, and using them as yet more firepower for articles that show up the horror of what is happening to women.

Every day there are more instances and examples and outrageous acts against women. Every day more and more people are learning about the wolf in sheep's clothing of gender ideology extremism and saying "grow up, don't be so utterly ridiculous!".

I feel more hopeful than I have done in a long time. Still a long way off "safe", but just less despairing.

OldCrone · 03/02/2020 14:02

He just said: "We have some good rules in the Party which help support women in our movement, including all women’s shortlists"

There's an obvious follow-up question to that. Is someone going to ask it or will we get deleted and disciplined if we do?

PenguindreamsofDraco · 03/02/2020 14:11

3 Qs on gender removed in a split second. For shame, MNHQ.

I know Keir of old, he was no coward. I really thought he might engage, he must know/have been advised what a big issue this is. But he's just doling out thanks and platitudes right now.

LangClegsInSpace · 03/02/2020 14:12

Someone asked the obvious follow up and was deleted in the space of about a minute.

midclegs · 03/02/2020 14:13

I thought I was seeing things.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 03/02/2020 14:14

So trans right are human rights then.

Women's rights can just fuck off eh?

Sexnotgender · 03/02/2020 14:15

Seems to be neatly dodging any questions on gender😏

midclegs · 03/02/2020 14:17

Oops I just posted on the wrong thread :-/

MsMcWibble · 03/02/2020 14:18

Oh he's terrible. What a load of codswallop. Does he really think we'll take this?

Sexnotgender · 03/02/2020 14:18

Oh I wrote that while he was typing clearly. What a non answer 😏

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 03/02/2020 14:18

I just took a series of screenshots over about 5 mins and watched as posts were vanished in almost real time.

TheShoesa · 03/02/2020 14:18

Trans rights are human rights, eh Keir. What do you actually mean by that?
And what rights do trans people NOT have, that everyone else does?

Angryresister · 03/02/2020 14:19

My question about whether he has seen our u3s5ions seems to have gone, but stealth bear has got one in. We have to hear again how trans people are the most discriminated people on earth etc etc.

Angryresister · 03/02/2020 14:19

Questions!

Sexnotgender · 03/02/2020 14:20

I’m screenshotting too. Utterly ridiculous.

LangClegsInSpace · 03/02/2020 14:21

Absolutely apalled at his response to rogdmum Angry

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 03/02/2020 14:22

Some good questions there though, FWR chums.

Well done to Rodgmum for getting that in. No one with political power should be able to get away with acting like they knew nothing when the awful bubble of childhood gender transition breaks.

Michelleoftheresistance · 03/02/2020 14:22

More depressing bollocks I see.

Trans rights are human rights - and female people's aren't even to be mentioned when it's inconvenient.

Pooooooor trans people. (Not even mentioning female people.)

'Political football' - females refusing to shut up and surrender their rights nicely.

Yeah, that's my vote lost Kier.

Sexnotgender · 03/02/2020 14:22

It’s a pile of meaningless shit.

MsMcWibble · 03/02/2020 14:22

He's talking about respectful dialogue while treating us like imbeciles with his non responses.

ClosdesMouches · 03/02/2020 14:24

Totally unsatisfactory response there. No concern for women's rights at all.

During the run up to the election I posted here several times that as a Labour voter of 40 years I could no longer vote for them. So I didn't.

I had hoped for better from KS. Very disappointed.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 03/02/2020 14:24

At the start he sounded like a half-reasonable chap (compared to his fellow runners).

Now he sounds like a kool-aid drunk, anti-woman, fool.

Shame. (For labour voters more than anyone, they are stuck between a dead duck and another dead duck)