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New Year New Judicial Review? CPS Hate Crime Guidance for schools

309 replies

Spero · 24/01/2020 22:21

If you haven't seen this, I think you should.

www.faircop.org.uk/post/police-must-not-patrol-trans-discussion-in-schools

In brief, the CPS have published guidance about hate crimes in school - but won't let parents see the guidance. Its for teachers only. I've emailed for a copy and so have others. I have a child in the school system. I want to know how serious the risk is that she will be arrested and charged for discussing biology.

I think anyone else who is also worried should email the CPS and ask to see the guidance.

Teachers and schools can download the pack from this website. This is a resource for schools, so a password is required to download the pack. This can be requested by emailing [email protected].

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ValancyRedfern · 29/01/2020 17:46

I'm not at all surprised that NASUWT are involved. All the teaching unions are fully on the trans train. Even though Kiri Tunks was president of the NEU last year, which suggests tolerance of opposing views, the NEU voted to back self id. The NAHT too.

HipTightOnions · 29/01/2020 17:49

Thanks Spero

Do you have a link for the PowerPoint too? I can’t get access to it via the CPS website.

ValancyRedfern · 29/01/2020 17:50

I've just read the teacher glossary at the end and that's enough to give me palpitations...

Mockers2020Vision · 29/01/2020 18:01

Gender-This, Gender-That and plenty of Gender-The-Other, but no actual definition of "gender."

HipTightOnions · 29/01/2020 18:02

That glossary!

Key words that are not defined: gender, boy, girl...

SarahTancredi · 29/01/2020 18:03

Yy valancy

Had a scroll down to that page.

Sets the kids up to expecting to peppe whi have chosen to make no medical or whatever effort at all.

Girls if you see a full.on beardy bloke in the toilets he may be trans and chosen no.intervention..

Wtaff is this shit

Mockers2020Vision · 29/01/2020 18:04

....and the 'assigned at birth' bollocks, including the use of 'intersex.'

And that toilet scenario lesson is creepy as fuck.

Spero · 29/01/2020 18:04

I have been sent a link to the Powerpoint but feel uncomfortable publishing this as it apparently involves lots of real and vulnerable children.

There is - I hope - going to be a lot of press reporting on this in next few days and I hope some useful commentary.

The guidance itself however will give you more than enough of a taste of just how terrible this is. I think the videos of children crying in toilets are the icing on a cake of stupendous crapness

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Spero · 29/01/2020 18:05

I think we ought to start compiling a Top Ten of our favourite moments.

Mine currently is the protection offered to 'pan' and 'omni' sexual children - without defining either term and without apparently realising they have just used the Greek and Latin words for 'all'.

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Spero · 29/01/2020 18:07

I must say I would like rather more data on just how many 'omnisexual' children are roaming school corridors right about now.

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Mockers2020Vision · 29/01/2020 18:11

Recites the correct protected characteristics, but then talks about transgender hate crime with merry (nearly said gay) abandon.

Again and again, the LGB provides cover for the introduction of the T, when the law is clear, there is no transition below the age of 18.

SarahTancredi · 29/01/2020 18:13

Anyone notice the mermaids number ...

HipTightOnions · 29/01/2020 18:14

Spero, do you know the mechanism for the “launch” in schools?

I have visions of it arriving with our (clueless) PSHE lead and would like to like to try to head it off at the pass.

ValancyRedfern · 29/01/2020 18:28

The depressing thing is most page leads aren't specialists and they're attempting to lead a whole army of non specialist staff who would rather do anything else than teach pshe. In these circumstances teachers fall in gratitude on packs like this with ready made resources because it means they don't have to do the planning themselves.

HipTightOnions · 29/01/2020 18:34

You’re right Valancy. Ours downloaded some nonsense from the internet without even reading it. Goodness knows what the poor teachers who had to use it made of it.

R0wantrees · 29/01/2020 18:40

CPS-LGBT-Hate Crime schools pack
page 8
3 "Find out the contact details for local LGBT+ groups, especially any that have specific services for under 18s as these will be the most suitable. The Switchboard LGBT+ Helpline on 0300 330 0630 will be able to assist. In terms of youth groups, teachers should be careful not to use contact details on the posters which are not public – i.e. they should check with the group leader first. Youth groups may not want to publicise where and when they meet to protect those who attend. Print out the poster on page 181 of this pack, write in the contact details of local groups, and display the poster in the classroom and around the school. It may well be useful to call and talk to them first to tell them what you are doing and find out what kind of help they may be able to offer to the students and to the school"

Teachers signposting to external youth groups have a primary Safeguarding responsibiity to the children at the school rather than protecting the anonymity of adults running the youth group. Its important to do due dilligence on any groups recommended. Schools should be very aware of the intention to close the legal loophole with regards sexual consent & Positions of Trust. This includes many youth clubs as well as sports & faith groups.

www.emmottsnell.co.uk/blog/sexual-consent-and-positions-of-trust

28/1/2020 Times article by Sarah Champion MP
'Children need protecting in all settings, not just at school'
(extract)
"If you leave your child in the care of an adult professional, you would assume that the law would apply evenly if they failed in their duty to safeguard. However, due to a legal loophole, as the law currently stands it is illegal for a teacher — but not a faith leader or sports coach — to engage in sexual activity with a 16 or 17-year-old under their supervision.

As chairwoman of the all-party parliamentary group (APPG) on safeguarding in faith settings, I am publishing a report that calls on the government to extend the definition of a ‘position of trust’ to cover any adult regularly involved in caring for, training or supervising a child.

Evidence submitted to the APPG’s inquiry into ‘positions of trust’ found current legislation to be inadequate for protecting young people from adults who would groom and abuse them.

The scale of the problem is hard to determine, due in part to the legality of the act itself, but figures previously obtained by the NSPCC from local authorities showed that between 2014 and 2018, over 650 complaints were made about adults in professions not covered by the existing position of trust law having sex with children in their care.

The APPG’s inquiry found that adults holding positions in faith organisations are perceived as having authority, power and influence within their communities — and the opportunities to abuse that power are significant as a result. Furthermore, we heard that many people feel a sense of powerlessness that can exacerbate the power dynamic in relationships, making it hard to speak up about concerns." (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/children-need-protecting-in-all-settings-not-just-at-school-7wdmfj6kk

R0wantrees · 29/01/2020 18:49

Given a High Court Judge was struggling to make sense of the transphobic Hate Incident police guidance at the Harry Miller/Fair Cop Judicial Review December 2019, it might be asking a bit much of Key Stage 3 & 4 pupils to make assessments after one lesson.

BillyCotton · 29/01/2020 18:53

Goodness - I have had a quick look through the nasuwt link and take my hat off to anyone working under this sort of guidance. I thought it was supposed to make it easier to get on with teaching and running a school not tie everyone in knots.

Aesopfable · 29/01/2020 18:54

Mockers ‘Hate crimes’ do not have the same protected characteristics as the Equality Act. They are: disability, transgender-identity, race, religion or belief, or sexual orientation. Notice the absence of sex.

R0wantrees · 29/01/2020 19:57

Today's Daily Mail:

"A teenage yob was today ordered to pay £200 compesnation to a transgender police officer - for shouting 'Is it a boy or is it a girl?' at him.

PCSO Connor Freel, 25, was 'upset and embarrassed' after the teenager shouted abuse while he was in uniform on street patrol duty.

Declan Armstrong, 19, was put under a nightime curfew and ordered to pay £590 - including the £200 compensation to the officer.

Miss Jackson said: 'When Connor heard Declan say what he said it left him feeling upset and embarrassed.'

In a statement Mr Freel outlined the work he had done to raise awareness of transphobic hate crime. (continues)

Gary Harvey, defending, said: 'He doesn't hold any prejudice against anyone in society.'

Mold magistrates heard Armstrong had been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome and suffered from anxiety and depression.

District judge Roger Lowe said the aggravating features of the case were that Mr Freel was performing a public service as a PCSO and the incident was in a busy town centre where other people could hear what was said.

He said the sentence had been uplifted from a low level to a medium-level community order because of its transphobic nature." (continues)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7943147/Teenage-yob-ordered-pay-compensation-transgender-police-officer-abuse.html

ThinEndoftheWedge · 29/01/2020 20:52

@Spero

Thanks for posting

This document is all about othering everyone else.

I hope the guidance is widely circulated to, religious, disability, anti-racist etc charities/groups.
I’m sure they will have something to say.

Apparently bullying/hate incidents/hate crimes for these groups is not as consequential. According to this document p33- these groups do not, among others, suffer serious harm, cruel innuendos or are attacked as a member of a community or group. Attacks on these groups aren’t about their identity or self worth and therefore, they are less likely to be hurt as deeply.

All bullying or all children is deplorable.

RuffleCrow · 29/01/2020 21:25

"Teenage yob" = disabled person whose condition, by definition, makes them less able to follow insane social rules. I hope he appeals on grounds of disability discrimination.

R0wantrees · 29/01/2020 21:40

The article from Wales Online which seems to be the source is titled:
'Teen prosecuted after asking whether transgender PCSO was 'a boy or a girl'

PCSO Connor Freel was left 'vulnerable, distressed, and embarrassed' after Declan Armstrong, 19, twice shouted the question at him as he was on foot patrol"
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/teen-prosecuted-after-asking-whether-17651755

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/01/2020 21:51

Looks like it's hit the telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/29/schools-warned-could-face-legal-action-fail-allow-trans-pupils/

Aesopfable · 29/01/2020 22:13

Can’t read all of that article but I wish they a) state that the equality act allows for single sex provision and this guidance does not follow the law, and b) they didn’t focus on toilets but also warn that girls will get a criminal record if they do not wish to get changed in front of male children or do not wish to have them as part of their friendship group.

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