New Year New Judicial Review? CPS Hate Crime Guidance for schools

[Spero]

If you haven't seen this, I think you should.

www.faircop.org.uk/post/police-must-not-patrol-trans-discussion-in-schools

In brief, the CPS have published guidance about hate crimes in school - but won't let parents see the guidance. Its for teachers only. I've emailed for a copy and so have others. I have a child in the school system. I want to know how serious the risk is that she will be arrested and charged for discussing biology.

I think anyone else who is also worried should email the CPS and ask to see the guidance.

Teachers and schools can download the pack from this website. This is a resource for schools, so a password is required to download the pack. This can be requested by emailing [email protected].

[HandsOffMyLangCleg]

I wish they'd stop using children as an excuse for this cloak and dagger routine.

In this era of social media sharing, their guidelines will be uploaded at some point - to be picked apart by anybody who understands that girls being able to say "no" to males is a fundamental part of safeguarding.

[BovaryX]

Yet another example of how this ideology is promoted "behind closed doors" and is dependent on a lack of open public scrutiny and debate. The use of the police to enforce this is so sinister.

The guidance on hate crimes is only available to teachers? What manner of idiocy is this? As Uncompromising points out, the sub rosa secrecy of this suggests several things. Not least that these policies may have no legal basis One of the defining features of an advanced judicial system in an advanced democracy is everyone knows what constitutes crime This is a Stasi esque scenario where nobody knows what constitutes hate crimes Does Faircop know about this?

[Dreamprincess]

This latest development once again makes me sink to my knees to thank Fair Cop and Harry for launching the legal challenge. John Stuart Mill summed it up so well - The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Hyperbole much but next I can see Mao Tse-tung's Red Book becoming a compulsory text.

[Thelnebriati]

Creating invisible rules that have serious penalties for people who break them is the definition of abuse.

[MistOnTheWater]

I just saw this on twitter. I'm glad someone else has linked as I don't know how to yet.
This all seems like social engineering to me. Get the kids believing young.
We teach kids not to lie. This is the opposite of that. Also, what about autistic kids who can't/won't lie? Criminal record?
This is totalitarianism.

[ThinEndoftheWedge]

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Thanks for providing examples. Blaming girls I see. Men don’t have to change their behaviour to accommodate the full spectrum of maleness

So just to clarify - a girl want to uphold her legal right to safety privacy and dignity by not wanting to toilet/change with a male who only needs to say It am a girl’ and she will be guilty of a hate crime.

What the fuck fuck fuck!!

How do they get round the equality act same sex exemption?

Has anyone a copy of the new version they can link to?

I am
Happy to request a copy - I’m not a teacher and if they say no I will do an FOI

[ThinEndoftheWedge]

Should read ‘I am a girl’

[EmpressLangClegInChair]

*Yes, 3 years ago they were perfectly happy to make very similar guidance available to the public. What's changed?’

Somebody’s realised that the public reaction to the last guidance didn’t fit with their plans, so they’re trying to do what’s always worked for them before. Slip the new version in quietly.

[MistOnTheWater]

Getting it in quietly so no one notices. Didn't Denton's admit that was what they were doing. Sure I read that somewhere.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Somebody’s realised that the public reaction to the last guidance didn’t fit with their plans, so they’re trying to do what’s always worked for them before. Slip the new version in quietly.

Absolutely, Empress.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

I think in 2017 it was full on Stonewall law training sessions and none of this was really being challenged or in the public eye. Only gender critical feminists were interested and it hadn't gone mainstream so they thought they could get away with anything.

[Uncompromisingwoman]

What jurisdiction do the CPS have in terms of developing social policy? Isn't this yet more overreach? Who oversees them? Or are they so powerful that they are untouchable and not subject to any scrutiny or democratic accountability? They can just implement the wishes of their friends in Stonewall and boring things like the Nolan principles of public life don't apply to them?

[Datun]

Ereshkigalangcleg

Scenario: An MTF trans person enters a women's toilet, where a couple of school girls ask why the person is in the toilet as it is not the toilet appropriate for their sex. The MTF trans person then goes to the male toilets where they are confronted by some stereotypical thuggish men.

... The most physically threatening man bangs on the toilet door, yelling “what you doing in there? You freak!” No teenager, male or female, would want to align themselves with the views of these old past-it men who clearly represent ‘old-fashioned ignorance.’

I remember reading this. It was the first time a genuine thud of fear contracted in my chest.

The CPS. The bloody CPS. All reasonable, rational, kind and articulate on the telly. And all sneaky, deceitful, sexist and intimidating in real life.

And not just the utterly misogynistic scenario that yes, young girls and women should be responsible for protecting men from male violence. Practically ordering schoolgirls to shoulder this mantle.

But also the breathtaking assumption that women won't see that the violent, thuggish bullying man banging on the door of the toilet yelling what are you doing in there, you freak, can't, the very next day, have access to as many women as they like, by identifying as one.

The manipulation was frightening.

And, of bloody course, keeping this guidance secret is going to backfire spectacularly.

It's very worrying that they do not understand that the result of desperately trying to keep something secret is guaranteed to have everyone shining a spotlight on it.

[GenderfreeLang]

Trying to keep this secret from parents is very sinister and unlikely to succeed.

[Mockers2020Vision]

Yes Arran

And I was thinking of this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial

The reference to the poem is that, like the jews, the biologists tend to be the canary in the coal mine. They wrongly get the blame for Neodarwinism. 'Race' is their word, and never mind if they've stopped using it. The Left accuse them of justifying 'law of the jungle' capitalism while the Right accuse them of denying God.

They also study species morphology, chiroptology and scatology, but are not responsible for genderist batshit.

[littlbrowndog]

But why is it secret ?

Is therevs something in it that can’t be seen ?

Why can’t people see the guide ?

Are parents not to be trusted.

Can teachers be parents ?

Why the secrecy

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

But also the breathtaking assumption that women won't see that the violent, thuggish bullying man banging on the door of the toilet yelling what are you doing in there, you freak, can't, the very next day, have access to as many women as they like, by identifying as one.

The manipulation was frightening.

YY exactly, Datun. Great point.

[Spero]

Yes Fair Cop are aware and have issued this statement

www.faircop.org.uk/post/police-must-not-patrol-trans-discussion-in-schools

Safe School Alliance also aware and commenting.

I can only assume that they have got away with this kind of thing for so long that the penny hasn't dropped that things are different now.

[GenderfreeLang]

Rape and sexual assault convictions are at a shocking low of less than 2% iirc but according to CPS website...

"The CPS takes hate crime very seriously, and is determined to hold those responsible to account. In 2018-2019, the CPS secured convictions in 84% of the hate crime cases it prosecuted and, due to the severity of hate crime, the courts increased the sentences handed down in 74% of these convictions. This sends a clear message that hate crime is a scourge on Britain and will not be tolerated."

So CPS is determined to hold those who correctly sex to account but not sex offenders.

I am sure safe schools alliance will get hold of a copy no problem and with any luck so will Janice Turner, Sonia Poulton, James Kirkup...

[littlbrowndog]

Is rape not a scourge on society ?

[EmpressLangClegInChair]

Is rape not a scourge on society ?

Well, to quote Ruth Hunt, men will always rape women. The implication being that it’s not worth trying to stop it happening.

I wonder how much input Stonewall had here?

[Spero]

As they were one of main advisers I am going to go out on a limb here and say 'loads'.

Also found out today that David Isaac - former Chair of Stonewall - is now Chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

So absolutely nothing to see here.

[PaleBlueMoonlight]

It would be interesting to know what the crimes and incidents actually are. How many of the hate crimes are things like online harassment motivated by hate (in the eyes of the victin) and how many are murder? There must be something about the crimes themselves that are easier to solve and therefore it is worth doing it for the purposes of stats, rather than tackling difficult crimes like sexual assault. Are hate incidents recorded separately? Do they help with stats, given there is nothing to solve?

[BernardBlackMissesLangCleg]

What jurisdiction do the CPS have in terms of developing social policy? Isn't this yet more overreach?

It feels like it, doesn’t it? At a guess I’d say it’s driven by a very small number of highly motivated individuals within the CPS

[BovaryX]

so found out today that David Isaac - former Chair of Stonewall - is now Chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission

Seriously? Good grief