Lang Cleg 2

[TiredofthisBSbutIstandwithLang]

New thread as we got to 1000.

on the app own posts are not as easy to spot

Mine show up in 'my' colour whichever name I'm using.

Name changing might not be a bad idea......even if temporarily

Mine show up in 'my' colour whichever name I'm using.

Oh, mine do too, but on the web site the whole comment is colour coded, on the app. it's just the name, and if I'm only half concentrating wine it could get embarrassing to answer myself.

(At least the pram lady waited 5 years to answer her own zombie thread in error.)

(At least the pram lady waited 5 years to answer her own zombie thread in error.)

I remember that, that was epic!!
Asked a question about a pram, then came back and answered herself a few years later saying she had one and it was good or something lol

Name changing has its uses. A quick look at my name will tell you how long I have had it. But there is also a downside to it. Nobody knows who I was or what I was posting last week. Am I a trusted old hand on Mumsnet or a newbie? Or possibly an infiltrator lulling everyone into a sense of complacency before trolling?

Using the same name over a period of time builds a brand, so to speak. I like knowing who I am talking to. I like knowing what they thought about the last topic we discussed and how that might inform the current topic. When certain posters join a thread, I pay more attention because previous posts have shown that they know their shit. The most obvious example of that at the moment is Lang and safeguarding but there are others.

Equally, there are some posters whose names I recognise and I know to grey rock their posts because they have built a reputation for being a goady fucker or MRA or TRA or whatever it is that I don’t want to engage with at that time.

I definitively see the benefits of name changes. But I really appreciate those that don’t.

Can I also add in I appreciate thoughts on safeguarding for vulnerable adults? Our adults with learning disabilities, mental health issues and the elderly etc. Often collateral damage in mixed sex wards etc and often only having 'the state' to advocate for them, but what happens when 'the state' has been captured?
Lang and posters here have been vital in discussions where these adults should be considered.

So far I can't be arsed name changing but there are good arguments for doing it and, if I were higher profile on here or had a special expertise, e.g. in safeguarding or science, then I would seriously consider it. I've always assumed some posters do it regularly and I take the view that, with one or two exceptions, you never know who you're talking to.

Yes I saw Michael’s comments, but how does Lang’s safeguarding commentary amount to “verbally abusing staff”?

I’m not being disingenuous, I genuinely do not see how this amounts to abuse.

I am sure some posters (including me) can be irritating, boring, repetitive and exasperating and critical. This is the case in my workplace too, and I’m sure in many.

But “Verbal abuse” is something else. I really hope Lang will share her words. I feel she is being misrepresented, she was very measured. We disagreed sometimes. I never felt even slightly attacked.

Look, this is in no way meant to be a dig at the mods because they have a bloody difficult job, on this and all boards, but I've been banned before for being a "piss troll" after starting a genuine thread on my DC's bedwetting. One person on the (very short) thread posted that I was a troll, I don't know how many actual reports there were, but I couldn't log in at all. Eventually got sorted out a few days later. No warning or any email, I just couldn't log in.

So that was me instantly banned after posting here for years - probably daily - for talking genuinely about bedwetting on a parenting forum. (I now know to try and write in a way that tries to avoid looking like a troll but until then I simply didn't realise there were such things as piss trolls. Because... Why would you?)

It goes to show how open to interpretation the intention behind posts is, and how a busy mod can nod along a well-meaning accusation just because of the bad behaviour of others (actual piss trolls). And see ill intent when there isn't any. Presumably they see a lot of vile posts that we are protected from, which can't be great for mods' spirits.

I'm not saying this is what happened with Lang but, assuming she communicated with mnhq in the same way she posted, any rudeness or aggression seems to have been viewed through a similar lens.

I'm still a bit stuck with the bedwetting but I am put off posting about it. Basically I'd be happy to never see the words "piss troll" again.

I am a lurker because I don't have time to engage in a meaningful way (having to do at home massive amount of unpaid carer work for my primary school child and disabled relatives).

I think transgenderism is very damaging to women and children, it will be denounced in the future.

I think the way MN treats GC posters is a disgrace and they will lose their status as a fair discussion platform for parents. This reputation is easily damaged and not easy to restore, so they are taking a gamble. I think they will lose out.

Yes, I agree with the downsides to name changing. And we still don't really don't know whether Lang was banned because of the reports or because MNHQ misunderstood what she was saying about coercive control.

And we still don't really don't know whether Lang was banned because of the reports or because MNHQ misunderstood what she was saying about coercive control.

LangCleg would likely have only being in discussion with MNHQ as a consequence of the reports so the two are inextricably linked.

I feel she is being misrepresented, she was very measured

Towards you, yes I've no doubt she was.
Doesn't mean she always was to everyone else

I never felt even slightly attacked
Well, lucky you then.
Do people really think that just because you personally have never "felt attacked" that that automatically means that a person can never make anyone else feel attacked?

And we still don't really don't know whether Lang was banned because of the reports or because MNHQ misunderstood what she was saying about coercive control.
I doubt we ever will know and, as R0 says, I don't think you can separate the two.

What we do know is that Lang's usual posting style was not rude, that she posted a lot about safe guarding, that she didn't name change, and that she went from being a poster whom you very rarely saw deleted to accruing 60 deletions.

For me It's the pattern that's of interest.

... assuming she communicated with mnhq in the same way she posted, any rudeness or aggression seems to have been viewed through a similar lens.

We also don't know a mods political leanings, or if they believe TWAW so it'd be even harder for them to be impartial.

Towards you, yes I've no doubt she was.
Doesn't mean she always was to everyone else

But that's just the Black Swan Theory . Show a single instance of Lang being rude or aggressive towards another poster, that is over and above disagreeing with them, and you will have instantly proven your point.

If every poster who logs on today says she never was to them... that would just make them 'lucky', it seems!

The general flavour of the poster known as LangCleg is that she was persistent, knowledgeable, robust but not prone to personal insults and slights.

That robustness of postig would make some feel 'attacked'. Especially if they had their own reasons to want to feel so... as was one of those who I remember had reported her for being mean and was later banned themsleves, PBP or similar!

Can I also add in I appreciate thoughts on safeguarding for vulnerable adults? Our adults with learning disabilities, mental health issues and the elderly etc. Often collateral damage in mixed sex wards etc and often only having 'the state' to advocate for them, but what happens when 'the state' has been captured?

Its really very important to recognise that breeches in Safeguarding frameworks will always impact the most vulnerable first & most profoundly, regardless of age; adults with learning disabilities, mental health issues and the elderly also women in prisons & refuges.

That's because the mods have removed them. Duh!

Very funny. Well then, the next time you see a post that you think is transphobic on here could you take a screenshot before you report it so we can discuss why you found it offensive?

Ah but if you post that screenshot or quote the post you also get deleted...so once it is gone it is gone! No evidence.

It's a self cleaning crime scene!

OldCrone

If the monitors are targetting specific posters, should we all be changing our usernames frequently?

Obviously MNHQ will know that it's the same person with different usernames (assuming they use the same login), but the outside monitors on twitter won't be able to attack a single poster because they won't know whether it's the same person or not and it will be difficult or impossible to stalk them using the search function.

I do think this is a good idea actually. I do occasionally, and I think I will do it more.

You can always try and incorporate a bit of your name in the new name, that might help people to recognise you. But it will stymie attempts to follow you around. Or at least slow them down. And make it really tedious.

Don't step on the cracks

My 9 year old son is going through a "don't step on the cracks" phase. Classic childhood game he is currently playing a little too often. If overindulged, it slows us all down and drives me potty. Sometimes I have to make him stop the game and just tread on the blooming cracks so we can get on with our day. The importance of the journey from A to B sometimes outranks the game.

I'm apparently supposed to be playing the game myself in life, wherever men tell me I must, although I persist in trying to stomp on the cracks they've drawn up to limit my stride.

Each time a new "you can't say that" rule is introduced, I realise there's another crack that the rulemakers have recently drawn on the floor, and they have decided we're not supposed to stand on it whilst we are trying to walk from A to B. We're supposed to lightly prance over the crack whilst reciting "there is no crack here, I'm avoiding nothing, I always walk like this, tralala"

The pathways of our lives are full of cracks, that we casually observe on our journeys, distinguishing expertly between cosmetic cracks that must be stepped on confidently or else we'd never get anywhere, and major potholes that need to be sidestepped lest we hurt ourselves.
The cracks are merely simple, material facts that we notice, assess and dismiss as inconsequential on our journeys. Oh look, a shop. A balloon. A man. Step on crack, don't break stride, move on.

Oh look, a man

No, wait, a man who I mustn't call a man

Ah but if you post that screenshot or quote the post you also get deleted...so once it is gone it is gone! No evidence.

You'd think - but Sappho has just done it! Let's see how that pans out..

I seldom post on Mumsnet but lurk on FWR and other boards almost daily. I have found some incredibly rude and hurtful conversations on AIBU, and sometimes on Ask Me Anything. Yet they are allowed to stand, presumably because honesty, even to the point of blunt rudeness, is appreciated (?) Or does it just not matter if women are tearing shreds off each other? However, on FWR it seems the situation is different, and everyone is expected to treat those who disrespect and plot against women with the utmost care and consideration. IF, and it's an elephant sized if, Lang was aggressive towards moderators, I daresay she was pushed beyond exasperation by the inexplicable rules of politeness that ONLY the TRAs are privileged to enjoy. Having shut down a leading light on this board, one that I respected enormously and learned so much from, I feel that now Mumsnet is somehow LESS.
So disappointed with those who should be batting for women yet seem to be trying to throw the match.

Thank you so much tellme

Partly an attempt to cut down on mumsnet generally (cos family were mean to me at Christmas...i’ll show them I’m not addicted!!! Epic fail

And partly cos ive been on holiday this week