Lang Cleg 2

[TiredofthisBSbutIstandwithLang]

New thread as we got to 1000.

..that you cannot point to/link to because there aren't any.

That's because the mods have removed them. Duh!

Better be quicker to screenshot then. No evidence, people aren't going to listen.

I do believe the Cranks live in The Upside Down. Nice Post from the banned one on Spinster. Has been deleted here already. It was neither rude nor aggressive.

Not everyone thinks transgenderism is the be all and end all of everything, shocking though it may be to you.

I guess that's why the vast majority of threads on the feminist boards are about trans people.

Christine, the mother of a trans child and also part of the network that regularly monitors Mumsnet. (Christine’s name has been changed for privacy reasons.)

Yes, this is correct and I’d forgotten the article until R0 linked it. So there’s a mother of a trans child who monitors and reports. And there are frequently reports on threads that highlight the negative effects of medical affirmative treatment.

There are people who are determined to spin it that what we discuss is transphobic but the fact is that we discuss realities that they don’t want visible.

I guess that's why the vast majority of threads on the feminist boards are about trans people.

Well, this one wasn't..... now seems to be. Hmmm. Odd that we can't just have a conversation without someone making it all about the T.

I prefer the weetabix.

Firstly, Justine didnt say that Lang specifically had been aggressive. She did say that Lang had contravened the rule about rudeness and aggression towards the mods.

Michael later posted to confirm the exact issue was langs 'rudeness":

Just to be clear about the rudeness in question - it came down to repeated accusations that we're coercively controlling

As established, Lang DID NOT AT ANY TIME accuse the mods of being coercive. Lang went to great pains to make it clear that it was the mods themselves that were being controlled.

Langs ban has clearly been made under a false premise. By Justines and Michael's own words the situation has been misunderstood.

Stop parotting 'but Lang was aggresive' to try and smear her name.

I guess that's why the vast majority of threads on the feminist boards are about trans people.

That's because we think women's rights are critical. It being a feminist board.

Well, this one wasn't.....

Really? What did Lang Cleg mainly post about and what was her disagreement with mods about?

I think Lang would absolutely want us to keep posting about safeguarding. Always. Everyday.

And for me the harm done to children with medical affirmative treatment is at the centre of that. Children are being subject to long term health consequences by otherwise respected health professionals for reasons that make no sense to me. And I will follow the Lang way and aim to protect those children any way I can.

I think Lang would absolutely want us to keep posting about safeguarding. Always. Everyday.

She does.

I suggest those coming on this thread with a clear agenda to goad people in an attempt try to get them banned are ignored.

Agree. I know how tempting it is to reply. Must be strong!

I guess that's why the vast majority of threads on the feminist boards are about trans people.

No they're not. They're about the erosion of women's rights and boundaries, and they're about the abuse of children.

Firstly, Justine didnt say that Lang specifically had been aggressive. She did say that Lang had contravened the rule about rudeness and aggression towards the mods

Well, that's a contradictory sentence

Didn't say Lang specifically had been aggressive
Did say Lang had contravened the rule about rudeness and aggression
So which is it then?
Can't be both!

Men are men.

Except sometimes they're not

I can't take anyone seriously when they say this whilst simultaneously challenging another's posters experience and expertise in safeguarding.

I actually think the transgender discussion is very important to many here just not to focus the needs of a minority over the protections (legal) women and girls have. They trump the first for me. Every. Single. Time.

Rufus ** You're back too! I asked yesterday if anyone had seen you of late. I've missed your posts so really glad you've returned.

If the monitors are targetting specific posters, should we all be changing our usernames frequently?

Obviously MNHQ will know that it's the same person with different usernames (assuming they use the same login), but the outside monitors on twitter won't be able to attack a single poster because they won't know whether it's the same person or not and it will be difficult or impossible to stalk them using the search function.

Did say Lang had contravened the rule about rudeness and aggression
So which is it then?
Can't be both!

Yes it can. The rule covers rudeness and/or aggression.

She was rude but not aggressive as confirmed both Justine and Michael in their posts.

If the monitors are targetting specific posters, should we all be changing our usernames frequently?

Good point. I mean it works for others, who might only have a posting history from mid December for example. The downside is it’s always hard to know if a poster is posting in good faith if their user name is only a month old.

Justines words:

I don’t imagine any of you would be particularly happy if your boss stood by and simply let people be rude to and about you (in direct opposition to your stated policies). So we’ve had to conclude, sadly, that Mumsnet isn’t the place for LangCleg.

Clearly stating that 'being rude' was the issue. This 'rudeness' being later specified by Michael as the coercive control issue that has clearly been misunderstood.

I guess that's why the vast majority of threads on the feminist boards are about trans people.

Discussions on the FWR board are about feminism & women's rights. It should be of no surprise to anyone that as this is a parenting website the focus for the majority of members is alsothe Safeguarding of children.

this thread has been very useful to anyone new to discussions about the extensive impact of gender ideology on women's rights, policies & Safeguarding:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

If it was real life we'd have a bag of Pom Bears in our back pockets. Or loudly ask our butcher for "a chicken to feed 20" whilst winking at the queue

Has been deleted here already. It was neither rude nor aggressive.

I wondered that too, so went to reread the original statement from Lang just as a reminder to myself of the content. Seems benign 🤷‍♀️

You missed this bit.
Also Justine's words.
We do understand that LangCleg was a much loved poster and it’s clear that she obviously also has a great deal of expertise that Mumsnetters find helpful. But we just can’t exist in a situation where users are persistently aggressive towards, and disparaging of, our moderation team, who are simply trying to do a fair and decent job applying our guidelines

If the monitors are targetting specific posters, should we all be changing our usernames frequently?

I tried it once, lasted a few posts and had to change back because I didn't recognise my new name and on the app own posts are not as easy to spot - nearly agreed with myself