Julie Bindel bullying Posie

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FFS! Why did a she have to do this? It’s so divisive and gratuitously mean!
twitter.com/bindelj/status/1217986645871546368?s=20

I thought this thread was about the continuing clash between academic feminists and Posie Parker.
Then you haven't been reading properly. It concerned a specific tweet about Posie Parker by Julie Bindel (not an academic as far as I'm aware) which Julie has deleted and admitted was wrong.

Gawd Horse where to start. How about that trip to Washington? I like Kathleen Stock's response.

It's just embarrassing (and unlikely) that anyone would 'fangirl' her for those shenanigans,

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/two-women-disrupt-meeting-to-harass-trans-woman-in-appalling-videonn_5c52fe89e4b04f8645c84ee0

Sapphos
"A liability"
To what?

She doesn't subscribe to some sort of puritan feminism, a mythical pure left, anything like that, and has frequently said so.
So who is PP exactly putting at a disadvantage for basically speaking?

Left wing women are increasingly frustrated that there are so many taboo subjects, like FGM, Transing children, grooming gangs, etc within the left, and when you speak about these things in plain language you get ostracized.

PP deserves some sort of bravery medal imo.

Julie Bindel is equally brilliant, she has had lots of abuse for speaking.
WRT the Mona thing, Mona has behaved terribly over the past few days, Julie behaved badly too.
PP has defended herself.

Sapphos, do you have to repeat the same old crap on every thread about posie?
I can link to the last thread about posie, and probably the one before that, where the same tired old arguments about what posie did a year ago, or said 3 years ago on twitter, were all thrashed out.
You don't like her, we get it.

I thought this thread was about the continuing clash between academic feminists and Posie Parker

Then you haven't been reading it properly

Well said floisme Also, as one academic feminist has elegantly argued on this very thread, there is not one unanimous, definitive view on this....

I seem to remember it wasn’t me who bought the second bottle, DuMondeB. See you there?

Sapphos
You have embraced both the guilt by association fallacy and now you are doubling down with the appeal to authority fallacy. You said that PP is doing real damage to women yet you have failed to produce any substantiation for this laughable accusation. Most people are able to understand that there is diversity of opinion and style in any movement. Those who can't and insist upon rigid authoritarian orthodoxy are usually zealots.

Hi Bovary,

I completely take your point, and agree, that academics are on the frontline. My point is a simple one: any women who speaks out in the current climate is on the front line (e.g. NHS workers, civil servants, retail workers - anyone given the totalitarian creep of gender 'inclusive' policies). In academia, I am particularly concerned with early career researchers who speak out given how scarce jobs are (it's easy for departments to appoint a qualified candidate with less 'problematic' views) and those on precarious contracts (although this has always been a worrisome issue).

For me, there's no clash, just different personalities doing different things all with a common goal in mind. That seems a good thing :-]

p.s. Hi Zebra! :-]

Interesting I’ve seen JB direct more anger at PoPa than at TRAs. I’m trying to work out what that means.

Hi Lousie, hope you are well - you, Julie and posie all know more than most what it's like to raise your heads above the parapet, and invoke the vengeful wrath of the TRA...

Another one here who sees no need to agree with everything someone does in order to think some of the things they do are useful and valuable.

We need women's voices. As many as we can manage. All kinds. And we need to not descend into the fucking awful purity purges that the left so specialise in.

My point is a simple one: any women who speaks out in the current climate is on the front line (e.g. NHS workers, civil servants, retail workers - anyone given the totalitarian creep of gender 'inclusive' policies)

Hi Dr.Louise, I absolutely agree with you. Anyone who faces an HR department is vulnerable and the insidious advance of this totalitarianism is staggering to behold. I also agree with your power analysis and candidates with 'problematic' views. That has worrying implications for conformity being promoted rather than critical thinking. I think it takes real courage to challenge the prevailing orthodoxy and you are an example of that. Cheers!

Interesting I’ve seen JB direct more anger at PoPa than at TRAs

At the Trans Taliban, as Julie calls them?
I think women on the left are extremely frustrated about the general apathy and fear that have taken hold in progressive circles, and sometimes take it out on those who they see as 'unhelpful'. I understand the frustration, but like political parties, all social movements have members who are a liability. Not saying Posie is one - I wouldn't know as I've never really followed her.

I stepped back, massively, after the last Twitter spat - women infighting just hands the TRAs and their handmaidens (Hi mimmymum ) the baseball bat baton to beat us with.

I have my own views. Many of them align with JeanH, JulieB etc, many with Posie, JuliaL etc. I think Mona E has drunk the koolaid and tweeted some absolute nonsense over the last few days - especially her fawning, sickening apologies for wrongthink - cringe

I don’t think Posie is racist or homophobic and I give serious side eyes to those who continue to insist she is. But I tend to simply ignore and/or block them because their opinion is worth nothing to me.

I have the greatest respect for people who can own up to their mistakes. We are all dickheads at times and it takes some balls to admit it

*Julie I still love you but what the fucking fuck? Sort it out8

I think that was an 'early hours' post......when her judgment was slightly impaired. ....Julie takes some shit ...and some cynicism is inevitable

I think we need both you and Posie. And everyone else, all fighting in our own way. But directed outwards, not at each other.

Couldn't agree more.

Even though I love Posie, I’d always assumed she went to HATA just so she could have a trip to America.

PP and JB were both instrumental in my wake up call. Thank you to you both!

Dr Louise Moody - thank you for all that you are doing!!!

Remember in votes for women there were Suffragists as well as Suffragettes. Both played their part.

I am so grateful to everyone who is speaking out against the reinforcement of gender. It includes Julie Bindel, Posie Parker, Dr Moody, Jean Hatchet, and many other brilliant women. I'm also grateful for the other voices, such as Piers Morgan, Harry the Owl, and Boy George. This movement needs to involve everyone if it is going work. It is not a cult, it's a collective, and everyone's voice holds equal weight in my opinion.

Me too Geordie

What I do take issue with is wilful misunderstanding

Maybe you’ve forgotten or weren’t here when Posie stuck to her guns and repeated the same things here on mn AnyFucker? In fact, she went further and said that trans people should not be parents. And she said it more than a few times.

This was shortly before she was permanently banned from mn.

This defence that she was misunderstood or taken out of context is tissue-thin, and at odds with the many posts in admiration of her clarity and directness. She was crystal clear on her position, and didn’t hold back on sharing it here.

Have you got a link for that, Retrofitted? Presumably Posie's contributions were deleted from the thread, but I'd be interested in reading the context.

Retrofitted. So how come she has never said anything similar since?

If there is one thing we know about Posie it is that she is very unashamed of her opinions.