Julie Bindel bullying Posie

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FFS! Why did a she have to do this? It’s so divisive and gratuitously mean!
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It's interesting how many posters on here say they used to be left wing

And the way I see it, I still am left wing. Give me a materialist leftist policy platform, and I'll vote for it. I won't be voting for a bunch of bougie authoritarian cult-of-selfists any time soon though.

And the way I see it, I still am left wing. Give me a materialist leftist policy platform, and I'll vote for it. I won't be voting for a bunch of bougie authoritarian cult-of-selfists any time soon though

And the way I see it, I still am left wing. Give me a materialist leftist policy platform, and I'll vote for it. I won't be voting for a bunch of bougie authoritarian cult-of-selfists any time soon though

I should add, dear monitors, that while this is a negative generalisation, it is my analysis of middle class liberal politics, and has nothing to do with trans people. HTH.

I do agree the left have underestimated the strength of feeling many women have about the GRA reforms. And how many will abandon their left wing roots and go full on right wing, overlooking and brushing the negatives of right wing politics.

Who watched the BBC drama Years and Years? If Posie Parker ever did go into actual politics (God help us) it would remind me of the Vivienne Rook character. Voted in for her charisma and plain speaking and supposed concern for ordinary people but in actual fact a lot more sinister. The scary thing about that drama is I can really see it happening in the UK and soon.

www.bustle.com/p/is-vivienne-rook-based-on-a-real-person-the-years-years-character-may-feel-a-little-close-to-home-17872106

As a guy, I think Posie is one of the most visible and brave women, putting herself firmly in the public eye. She presents herself with dignity and is an excellent speaker. She never loses her temper, unlike some of the people and interviewers.

"And how many will abandon their left wing roots and go full on right wing, overlooking and brushing the negatives of right wing politics."

I totally refute that statement, because it bears comparison to the words of George W Bush before the Iraq war - "You are either with us or against us"
Politics is far more nuanced than that. I used to vote Labour, but Labour has totally lost its way. It has deserted the working class and embarked on a crusade of identity politics, favouring minorities over the vast majority.
James Keir Hardie and Ramsay Macdonald must be turning in their graves.

^And how many will abandon their left wing roots and go full on right wing, overlooking and brushing the negatives of right wing politics^

What the hell are you talking about. My political territory is centre right, small state, social responsibility.

I have friends on the left, and though I respect their views, have little idea how they come to the conclusions that they do. However I am prepared to listen as long as they are willing to listen to me.

The nature of the debate has changed over the past few years. It has become much nastier, simplistic and divided. If you dont agree with the orthodoxy you are wrong, racist, phobic, fascist or whatever. Most people are not perfect but also not deserving of the venom aimed at them. They are tired of it. They worry that the cheerleaders, by not allowing proper debate, are allowing gaps in safety, safeguarding and more.

I am completely onside with Lang and Bovary in relation to the dangers of self ID and the need to protect women and girls. I dont expect for a minute that this means we agree on much else. However I do think we could have a lively, intelligent and respectful discussion.

Your posts come across as patronising as if allowing us discussion as long as you find it sufficiently interesting. Where are you coming from politically and why dont you join in rather than plop aloof and critical comments. Is there a reason why you think that you are better than other posters, or indeed better than the interesting and courageous women who are putting themselves out there.

Politics is far more nuanced than that. I used to vote Labour, but Labour has totally lost its way. It has deserted the working class and embarked on a crusade of identity politics, favouring minorities over the vast majority

Well said. But you can't expect nuance from someone who has so far invoked Prince Andrew, Donald Trump, Epstein in her ongoing efforts to denounce PP....

And how many will abandon their left wing roots and go full on right wing, overlooking and brushing the negatives of right wing politics

I am not left wing, although I respect the articulate, passionate left wing posters on here. The main political divide is between left wing authoritarian zealots. And everyone else. You have demonstrated repeatedly on this board your alignment. With your non stop parade of logical fallacies and ad hominems. You don't get it, do you? The paradigm has shifted and the #no debate control left isn't working. Anymore

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I was surprised that Atilla the Hun, Pol Pot and Ghengis Khan didn't get a mention

I was surprised that Atilla the Hun, Pol Pot and Ghengis Khan didn't get a mention grin

Yes, I was wondering when the architects of the Third Reich would make an appearance...

Let the dogs bark, Sancho. It's a sign that we are moving forward

How many posts are there on this thread now. I honestly don't care what opinions Posie has on other subjects. I totally agree with her on the transgender issue and I love her emphasis on the protection of children.

And how many will abandon their left wing roots and go full on right wing, overlooking and brushing the negatives of right wing politics.

And there, you completely misunderstand what has been, and is, happening. Left/right refers to economics. The Tories have moved slightly to the left on the economics with promises of infrastructure investment in the regions and in certain public services, in particular the NHS and police, the public's top priorities. They're even talking about returning some rail lines into public ownership - another move leftwards. This was their electoral offer - less right wing than before. Whether or not these undertakings will be met remains to be seen, of course, but the economic offer moved left.

The public is generally in favour of many moderate left wing economic policies.

Whether you like it or not, what has been rejected is the bourgeois identity-based individualism that has colonised parties purporting to represent the workers, accompanied by a humourless authoritarianism to impose itself on the workers whether they like it or not. Until this is accepted, Labour will remain in the wilderness and will do absolutely no good for any downtrodden demographic in this country. This is not a situation I, as a materialist leftist, take any satisfaction in whatsoever.

Also: I note you have not responded to the core of the different positions on rights of the child vs rights of the parent you yourself precipitated earlier in the thread. Any thoughts?

I am completely onside with Lang and Bovary in relation to the dangers of self ID and the need to protect women and girls. I dont expect for a minute that this means we agree on much else. However I do think we could have a lively, intelligent and respectful discussion

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I reckon we could have a blast! This board is great for bringing together women from a diverse mix of views and backgrounds with a penchant for discussion.

Look. This is a picture of a struggle session from Maoist China. It's an extreme image. It is not pleasant to look at. Nevertheless, it is what the voters who rejected Labour at this election think of the party as it currently exists.

Want people to vote Labour? Want a leftist government that will improve the material conditions of people suffering in this country? Don't make your potential voters think of you as a modern day Red Guard.

It's not difficult.

Seriously, how many times does it have to be pointed out - even within the one thread - that left/right refers only to economic policy?! It's a pretty basic fact to understand for those people who claim to be "on the Left" themselves, as if it means good vs evil. 🙄

Women on the right wing are still women, children of right wing parents are still children. Feminism is for all women, child-ism for all children.

Also: I note you have not responded to the core of the different positions on rights of the child vs rights of the parent you yourself precipitated earlier in the thread. Any thoughts?

I'm a lesbian mum. My thoughts are as long as the child is well loved and cared for the sexuality or gender of the parents is irrelevant. Studies on the happiness and wellbeing of kids who have LGBT parents have backed this up.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_parenting

I've been told here on FWR numerous times that my kids have the right to a father and I am selfish for having them in a lesbian relationship. No doubt these same posters agree with Posie that trans men should be sterilised. Fortunately our family doesn't come across these attitudes IRL... at the moment. I worry about attitudes changing and whether the tide will turn.

"No doubt these same posters agree with Posie that trans men should be sterilised."

Is the idea that if you repeat an accusation enough people start to believe it.

One really important gift that parents can give children is the ability and confidence to think critically. Gender or sexuality don't come into it.

One really important gift that parents can give children is the ability and confidence to think critically.

100% agree. And when it comes to LGBT parenting I hope my kids will look at the evidence (formal studies), look at the other families we know, look at their friends being raised by two FTM trans parents and critically evaluate whether these families have the right to exist or not.

When a person such as PP publicly claims it is not in the best interests of the child to be born into an alternative family like the ones I mention, I hope my DC will be able to critically evaluate whether the problem lies with the families or whether the problem lies with Posie.

Sorry, I don't know you, but reading what you have written you seem to have acquired a level of victimhood, plus a propensity to condemn other women without giving them a fair chance.

My version of equality is treating them as I find them, regardless of background or sexuality. In my book being a lesbian might accord you reasonable protection, in lines with the protections offered to women under the same legislation, but it does not make you special. Where I live (central London) lots of kids are growing up in lesbian households. It is not a big deal. The big deal is the quality of parenting.

I do not understand why you feel your lesbian status gives you the right to be severely critical of a number of prominent women, and to patronise posters here.

My understanding was that lesbians generally felt most threatened and erased by gender ideology. I recognise you are entitled to your own views. However I am surprised at your lack of empathy for others. And your apparent support for a ideology that promotes puberty blockers etc, as a solution should adolescent girls exhibit confusion about their sexuality/gender.

I've been told here on FWR numerous times that my kids have the right to a father and I am selfish for having them in a lesbian relationship.

Where? Links please. I believe that you're telling porkies. Prove me wrong.

Who watched the BBC drama Years and Years? If Posie Parker ever did go into actual politics (God help us) it would remind me of the Vivienne Rook character.

Yeah I watched it, and that ^ is bollocks.

Ever heard the left wing women here? Most of us have described ourselves as "politically homeless" - not gone full on right wing. In fact, this whole debate cuts across the right/left wing divide completely.

There was a lot of talk on here about voting tory because of the GRA, but many of us (me included) decided we just couldn't do it. Posie said the same - she couldn't bring herself to vote tory - I can't remember which video she said it on, but I heard her say it. So stop repeating this nonsense that Posie is a right-winger - she's not - she's a (previous) left winger who has a major problem with the Left's obsession with identity politics and gender ideology.

If any left winger on here did decide to vote tory, then fair do's to them - that's between them and the ballot box. Tories did rather well recently, as I recall - and it seems that they did that by not pissing off as many people as Labour has.

I've been told here on FWR numerous times that my kids have the right to a father and I am selfish for having them in a lesbian relationship.

Link, or it didn't happen.

I don't believe that happened either, or if it did it wasn't crushed immediately.

I hope my daughter is a lesbian. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3745854-I-hope-my-daughter-is-a-lesbian

All the posts are still up and I've added screen shots so you don't have to RTFT.