Julie Bindel bullying Posie

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FFS! Why did a she have to do this? It’s so divisive and gratuitously mean!
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She is accountable. We all are. Nobody is saying Posie, or anyone else, is anything else but.

She is accountable. We all are. Nobody is saying Posie, or anyone else, is anything else but.

Did you somehow miss the posts insisting she didn’t say any such thing, didn’t mean it, was driven to it, apologised so that’s fine, and calling the statement that she did in fact say such things an “unsubstantiated slur”?

That’s some highly selective reading skills you’ve got there.

and who they have associated with.

McCarthy 2020

She stuck to her guns about it when challenged here on mn by people who were not goading her, and she’d had plenty of time to cool down, and had already been criticised for it on Twitter.

Looks a lot like gaslighting,

It's not gaslighting, certainly from me. I wasn't witness to the challenges on here, so I can't vouch for them either way.

In terms of her being accountable, she doesn't give a fuck. That's her accountability, right there. She accepts responsibility for everything she does. She just doesn't interpret it in the way you think she should. Which is, I imagine, a massive part of her appeal for a lot of people.

Prince Andrew? I'm sure he was visiting Epstein for the sunshine.

Trump bragging about grabbing women

You can go right ahead and compare Posie to Andrew, Epstein and Trump. There's not a single part of me that wants to stop you doing that.

I remember it. She did lose her rag and say something about sterilisation after being goaded to the nth degree on the Twatter. Everyone - including most materialist feminists - said "you've gone a bit beyond the pale there, love" and a couple of days later she came back, apologised for the intemperate language and stated her actual position more sensibly. To whit: children aren't possessions, products or badges for the identity of their parents and people who try to make them so - which, in her opinion*, included a lot of trans people - shouldn't be parents.

It's pretty much the opinion of those who objected to Freddie McConnell going to court to be registered as a father, not a mother. Or to those who object to commercial surrogacy. Or those of us who have objected to the recent Usborne book valorising a child taking on responsibility for the wellbeing of its parent.

You can agree or disagree with that, of course. You can find it a sensible, child-centred view. Or you can find it offensive on the basis of being of the Woke persuasion. Whatever your personal bag.

But wherever you stand on it, it's wrong to suggest that Posie's position was founded on anything other than what she considers to be the best interest of the child in the situation.

*attempting to represent Posie's opinion, not making a generalisation of my own, dear monitors

It's the same as saying deadbeat absent sperm donors fathers have a right to see their children. No, they do not.

It's arse ways about. It is what is in the best interests of the child and we are all allowed our own opinion on that.

Datun I wasn't witness to the challenges on here, so I can't vouch for them either way.

Do you plan on retracting your 15:35 post then? The one in which you give your account of the things she said and why she said them?

Lang, that’s a lot of excuses and obfuscation.

• They made her say it, so that’s ok
• A couple of days later when lots of people told her she was out of order she did apologise, sort of, in a “that’s not what I meant” style
• but only because that wasn’t really what she meant, even though she said it LOTS of times, very specifically
• really she meant “all parents who do this bad thing” and only accidentally said “all trans parents” because she was thinking of the overlap bit

It’s so easy to get confused about meaning when the words and sentence is so complex... “trans people should not be parents” “trans men should be sterilised”

It’s a stretch, given how incredibly intelligent, incisive and honest she is, and how she doesn’t mince her words.

Do you plan on retracting your 15:35 post then? The one in which you give your account of the things she said and why she said them?

No, not at all. I don't know who you are and you don't have any credibility with me.

To whit: children aren't possessions, products or badges for the identity of their parents

I agree with this.

It's pretty much the opinion of those who objected to Freddie McConnell going to court to be registered as a father, not a mother. Or to those who object to commercial surrogacy. Or those of us who have objected to the recent Usborne book valorising a child taking on responsibility for the wellbeing of its parent.

And this.

Posie's words, in context, were meaning "why would a transman want to give birth, when giving birth is arguably one of the most female, womanly things you can do" - she wasn't calling for the enforced sterilisation of anyone. (Despite what people would try to have us believe.)

It's the same as saying deadbeat absent sperm donors fathers have a right to see their children.

No it's really not. There is nothing inherently deadbeat or absent about being a transgender parent and it's extremely offensive to claim that there is.

What people can’t stand is how very effective Posie is. Her Stand with Women campaign is rousing all the wrong people — people who are not “luxury communists,” people who will not bow to “I am what I say I am” because expensive university educations have led them to give primacy to subjectivity over material reality, and people who will not vote for candidates who do insist they disbelieve what their own eyes show them, candidates who insist on the right of males to shower with teenage girls while steadfastly obscuring that this is indeed what they’re insisting upon.

If it turns out that is the RIGHT who end up standing with women and not the very confused LEFT — then that is to the shame of the LEFT, and not to women.

If the LEFT would ever actually listen to women — and FFS the left won’t even allow women to speak — then maybe Posie wouldn’t be so effective because others could be.

But they don’t.

Many of us on this site have been warning about the rising backlash genderism is courting and have expressed deep worry about the implications of this for gays, lesbians and feminists in general, since the populace see genderism as being pushed by these cohorts.

It is the LEFT who created the vacuum into which Posie stepped. If the LEFT doesn’t like her, is fearful of what she may be bringing about, then maybe the LEFT needs to have a re-think.

I see no signs of that happening; in fact I see only a doubling-down.

So be it. One way or another genderism will lose — because.material reality WILL assert itself. Because there is no limit to what mothers will do to protect our children. Because people will not long acquiesce to demands they lie about something so very basic to human existence — the reality of sex. Because the harms will become so obvious, people will recoil.

The question is who will genderism lose to.

One could have said the same thing some years ago about globalization’s wage arbitrage and the effects of it on the working classes in the developed world. Some on the left actually did.

The point is though (which I know you get so I will say it once more for the lurkers) is that our opinion should be entirely based on what is best for the child

You can disagree with that if you wish, but not by using the argument that every one has a right to be a parent. Let's take that one to rhe nth degree and see where it gets us.

The problem with Posie Parker is she has one conservative opinion that many feminists agree with alongside a whole host of far right, bigoted, racist opinions
This is the type of slur I'm talking about, here on this thread. No explanation given. Also Posie Parker harms women, here on this thread too. Posie Parker hates Muslims. Again no proof or explanation given.
I'm not sure about that either but I know that there are several posters on this thread that really, really fucking hate Posie. Makes me wonder why a woman without a social media presence annoys so many trans activists.
It's almost like she's doing something right.

Lang, that’s a lot of excuses and obfuscation.

- They made her say it, so that’s ok
- A couple of days later when lots of people told her she was out of order she did apologise, sort of, in a “that’s not what I meant” style
- but only because that wasn’t really what she meant, even though she said it LOTS of times, very specifically
- really she meant “all parents who do this bad thing” and only accidentally said “all trans parents” because she was thinking of the overlap bit

It’s so easy to get confused about meaning when the words and sentence is so complex... “trans people should not be parents” “trans men should be sterilised”

It’s a stretch, given how incredibly intelligent, incisive and honest she is, and how she doesn’t mince her words.

And in turn, this would seem to be a lot of obfuscation - indeed outright elision - about what the point of difference actually is, according to Posie*.

Should the rights of the child come first? Or the rights of its parents?

Going by the Freddy McConnell case, the courts agree with Posie: the right of a child to its mother supercedes the right of a parent to choose to be its father.

Try not to elide the child. Because the child - whether you agree with her or not - is at the root of Posie's opinion on these matters.

*again - trying to represent the opinions of Posie as I understand them, not making any negative generalisations of my own, dear monitors

It is the LEFT who created the vacuum into which Posie stepped. If the LEFT doesn’t like her, is fearful of what she may be bringing about, then maybe the LEFT needs to have a re-think.

Preach.

I think Posie has helped women fight the scary side of trans activism, but she has sone pretty regressive views on a woman's place - she says openly that fathers can't look after children (post-breastfeeding) as well as mothers, and that women shouldn't "chuck" their DC into childcare, otherwise what's the point in having them?

She's a GC feminist, but also very conservative, and often attacks transwomen based solely on their appearance which is an own-goal - women are always being judged on our appearance, something that most feminists abhor. To do that very same thing, sometimes to TW who themselves are GC, is unnecessary and makes her look petty.

Posie denies being a feminist

Some of her opinions do not ally with my feminism. But so what.

I rub shoulders with non feminists all the livelong day and manage to find the common ground.

Aye, you've a point there AF. I don't know anyone with whom I 100% agree, but I still have lots of friends and a good relationship with my family.

While it is true that all Feminists are gender critical it is not true that all who are critical of gender are Feminists.
Most right wing women care about the well being of children, just as Feminists and gender critical people do.
It is a mistake to label anyone who objects to male dominance displays as a Feminist. That was the reason the terf slur was invented, Don't fall for it.

It's worth noting that Posie was always left wing too - until this whole thing kicked off, when she was rejected by the left, and also a tad disgusted at the way the left have gone all woke (aren't we all?!}

Yep. I used to be a leftie too until the movement threw women and children under the fucking bus.

It absolutely has, AnyFucker. Fair breaks my heart.

While it is true that all Feminists are gender critical

Just don’t say that to Julia Long 😬😂