Nikkietutorials comes out as trans

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I only know who they are due to DD watching their make up videos. They were on BBC 3s Glow Up program as a guest judge.
Apparently they were being blackmailed and so came out in a video, which is a bit shit for them.

I'm a 6ft 2 woman built like an ox and am now wondering if I have to wap my ovaries out to prove to some people on the thread that I'm an actual female, or do I just have to be careful not to use gay language(?) I have childbearing hips and cellulite, will that do?

I hadn't heard of her but just watch the first minute of that video - how the fuck can anybody watch something that's been cut and spliced so many times?! The almost but not fully imperceptible head jerks make me feel seasick

Anyway- I skim read the last few pages - has anybody managed to explain what the deal is with the boyfriend not knowing? Ive never seen a post surgery trans body naked but really, is it really possible that the surgeon was that good that the vulva and vagina aren't distinguishable from a (and I say these 3 letters ONLY to avoid a ban) "cis" woman's?!

Still on tenterhooks waiting for the feminist analysis you're going to offer on this feminist forum - otherwise, why on earth would you be here?
And yes, I have been dictated to, I've had a post deleted for stating I thought Nikkie was trans when I first saw them, so yes, you are attempting to silence women.

Are you only willing to accept a feminist analysis that you agree with? There's a lot of definitions and subsections of feminism. I'm not personally gender critical, does it make my opinion unwelcome? Echo chambers don't help anybody.

Anyway, I've said what I wanted, and I'm glad people can read your comments to see you for what you are. I'm disengaging now as frankly I find this being insulted in a really lame and unimaginative way by strangers insufferably dull.

rocketmen of course, I reserve the right to respectfully disagree with you though.

You don't have much sense of irony do you Upfield?

My analysis of this discussion is that it is blatantly obvious that you only have an issue with this person because they are trans, and if they hadn't come out you would never have expressed any concern about their videos.

rocketmen I mean of course other views are welcome.

Of course, you're welcome to disagree. I never said that you couldn't, but you're provoking/goading somebody for a response at this point that you're just going to tear apart.

I was given a gender at birth that I don't feel fits me in any shape or form for multiple reasons and certain surgeries will help me feel more comfortable with my body.

You do you, but I'm going to call you out on the unfactual and unhelpful language used there. Unless somebody rolled a dice and assigned you a pink or blue nappy, your sex was observed at birth.

How do you propose society changes? I don't think societal changes will affect the rate of transgender individuals a huge deal tbh. There's transgender people in every culture, including those without contact to the western world. What about transgender men, by the way? I don't see them mentioned much and I don't know how they fall into the GC views.

I think that there are huge numbers more youngsters deciding that they are trans than ever before - and that part of that reason is the way trans education in schools is influenced by trans campaigners.

As for what about trans men - I suggest you don't want to go looking for the current period and trans men thread. I'm gender critical and I appreciate mumsnet as a space to discuss how trans rights campaigning can be problematic for women's rights, and I'll defend FWR board against lots of accusations of transphobia but I think a lot of comments on that thread are hideous and attacking women who identify as trans men. A FEMINISM board being so nasty about the people they insist are FEMALE more than they are concerned for their welfare is a bit much for me.

rocketmen not at all, I have zero interest in tearing anyone apart, I need to do some other stuff right now actually. The feminist forum is here for the discussion of feminist issues not for being policed by those who only come here to silence women - a crazy idea, I know.

if they hadn't come out you would never have expressed any concern about their videos
That’s a tad unfair - most of us have never heard of Nikki until this coming out publicity.

@UpfieldHatesWomen from what you said about your deleted post a few posts/pages ago, your post was deleted because you referred to them by their pronoun appropriate for their birth sex rather than their current identity. Which it's fairly common knowledge is against MN rules.

outfoxed no, I didn't, I've used 'they' throughout.

Beg pardon

Well, 9 pages in and I am not persuaded to watch my first ever YouTube make-up video.

I agree that this does not seem to be a feminist issue and would be better in Celebrity Gossip.

And yes, I have been dictated to, I've had a post deleted for stating I thought Nikkie was trans when I first saw them, so yes, you are attempting to silence women.

Not me. I'm happy for your type of posts to stand for all to see.

Interesting how many people know "several" Dutch women at or above the 99.9th percentile for height in that country. Are all of them related, do you suppose, or do they just know basketball teams?

Knowing many women who are at the 99.9th percentile for any trait is a fairly remarkable circumstance. So remarkable that without an explanation for the clustering, it almost looks like a misrepresentation of the truth.

I don't know any tall Dutch women but in my group of friends there are two women who are 6ft, one who is 6,3 and two who are just under 6ft. I have friends who are 5 ft nothing too. None of us are Dutch

I can't remember the exact wording but we have been warned about people coming on to the site and swearing blind that day is night for page after page after page.

I’ve scanned through the thread, so apologies if this has been addressed and I missed it.

One of the main arguments you have here, and other forums is that trans women should not share spaces and access female services with cis women (apologies for that, it’s the only way to differentiate the two groups).

The question I ask, and I do so as respectfully as I can, is this.

Which public toilets should she use, which changing rooms? If she goes to a gym, or swimming pool should she be allowed in a communal changing room?

If admitted to hospital, should she be housed on a female ward? If imprisoned a female prison?

If she is raped or suffers domestic violence, should she be allowed into a women’s shelter?

The hard liners amongst you will still try to insist she should be excluded. However, I hope the majority here and certainly in wider society will respect her for who she is now and not define her by the genitals she was born with.

You may not understand us, some won’t respect us and you certainly will not understand why some of us need to transition, but I hope that you can understand the reason the equality act and it’s statutory guidance is written the way it is.

It accepts, and always has, that many trans men and women are indistinguishable from any other man or woman and the law has to be flexible enough to handle that reality.

can't remember the exact wording but we have been warned about people coming on to the site and swearing blind that day is night for page after page after page.

Again, it's a little weird to suggest anybody who disagrees with you is a brigader or something. I'm here because I wanted to get out of my personal echo chambers and learn something new - which I have, even if I don't agree with every stance.

Fully don't understand why this was the top story on the BBC earlier. Seriously.

apologies for that, it’s the only way to differentiate the two groups

You can differentiate between the two groups as women and transwomen. That is enough. Or females and males.

You may not understand us, some won’t respect us and you certainly will not understand why some of us need to transition, but I hope that you can understand the reason the equality act and it’s statutory guidance is written the way it is.

On the contrary I actually can't understand it at all. I don't understand why the fact that one YouTube makeup artist (who is mostly seen only as a head and shoulders, who has arguably been exploited since childhood by parents who believed in gender stereotypes, and ironically has built their fame on doing makeup in that very over the top drag queen style) looks, on camera at least, as though they may 'pass' is somehow proof that any male who obtains a grc should be granted full access to women's prisons, hospitals, psychiatric wards, changing rooms etc. It blows my mind that such a law was ever passed in the first place and in 'real life', as opposed to online, I've actually only ever met one person who thinks it's all fine and good and fair.