Nikkietutorials comes out as trans

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I only know who they are due to DD watching their make up videos. They were on BBC 3s Glow Up program as a guest judge.
Apparently they were being blackmailed and so came out in a video, which is a bit shit for them.

I can understand why she would want to wait until she could trust someone before she came out to them

I find this a very contradictory attitude. Nikkie needs to know that she can trust him...at which point she tells him that she has been deceiving him along. And you can be sure that if he had said 'wait a minute, you lied to me, I can't continue a relationship with someone who has lied to me from the moment we met', he would no doubt be classed as the villain of the story. Not the person who lied.

Who accused her of being a rapist please? I suggest you report that

Or are you creatively applying a general statement to a specific person ?

And in this case - heavily involving gender stereotypes and someone who influences millions of young women and girls - clearly it does, so is worthy of feminist analysis.

There are lots of makeup artists on youtube influencing young women. Or just look at the likes of Love Island, for the vision being put forward of what it means to be attractive. These things are absolutely worth talking about, but I don't see how this person being trans makes any difference to that discussion.

"I couldn't tell him I was trans because I was scared all the women on Mumsnet would tut at me."

Uh huh. I'm sure that's it, and not male violence at all.

Thank you btw Floisme

unwashed

That video is amazing. Fruit of my womb has just said "It's a masterpiece"

"Don't talk politics"

"It's make-up, or eating"

whatscominoverthehill I'd say Nikkie being trans is relevant for the discussion of women's rights because it means someone born male, who clearly feels the need to perform feminine stereotypes and doesn't have any experience of being female themselves, is a leading figure in setting beauty standards for women. It raises questions - why should someone born male be so influential in setting beauty standards for women? What about the sexist notions they've expressed about Barbie and makeup meaning they must be a girl, where else does this person's sexism fit into their role as an influencer? There's no such thing as 'born in the wrong body', but they are now broadcasting this idea to millions of young people. Now the truth is out it does make me see their practice in a new light. Extreme time consuming makeup for women being sold by those born male is an interesting phenomenon.

@Doyoumind

I don't think the thread belongs in this board either. I actually like Nikkie but it does explain the 6ft something height.

Really?! One of my best friends is “6ft something height* does that need explaining too?

I'm interested in how all this is going to play out actually. I wonder if Nikkie will now become a huge trans rights activist, after all she has an enormous platform, or if her plan is to make this announcement and then basically move on?

There hasn't been all that much on Twitter from some of our fave TRAs about it? I thought there would be gloating about how Nikkie 'proves' that we should trans kids from the earliest possible age and laughing at the fact that women can't, in fact, always tell someone is trans immediately.

I don't know anything about her relationship. I know she had another boyfriend a few years ago, I don't know if he knew? Tbh, I'm still totally reeling from this information, so I can't imagine how someone actually in a relationship must feel. Nikkie has had a hard time, her brother died of cancer a couple of years ago, and all this time she has been dealing with all the stuff that being trans must entail as well. I do wonder how it all came about, it almost sounds like she hasn't had much choice in the whole process, it all started so young... I really really hope she is happy, she seems like a sound person.

I have been looking at photos of her on Google - I had never really googled her before because I just watched so many of her videos, but there are some pictures of her standing with women and actually, she is huge compared to them.

I'm not going to start calling her 'he' or 'they', I will afford her the same courtesy that I do to other trans people who are just trying to get on with their lives.

Just can't believe it, Nikkietutorials is male! When I saw the thread title I thought she must be coming out as a trans man or non binary or something and i was very confused, it never occurred to me that she was a transwoman!

Please, tall women (I'm a tall woman too), spare us the histrionics about how offensive it is to note that this person's height makes it fairly likely that they're XY.

In the Netherlands, 18% of adult males are 6'2 or taller.

Only .36 percent (that's three-tenths of a percent!) of adult females in the Netherlands are 6'2 or taller.

About 1-2 percent of people identify as transgender. If two percent of the 18% of males 6'2 or above identify as transgender, that means about .36 percent of overall males in the Netherlands are over 6'2.

This means if you encounter a 6'2 woman in the Netherlands, there is a 50% chance that she is a trans woman.

So no, it's not offensive to assume this. It's literally a coin flip.

Height data here, btw: tall.life/height-percentile-calculator-age-country/

Run the numbers yourself. 6'2 people in the Netherlands saying they are women are equally likely to be XX or XY. If someone in the US who was 6'2 said this, they'd be about 2/3 likely to be XY.

@RuffleCrow she is Jahkara J Smith, but her Youtube channel is Sailor J. She made lots of very funny make up videos plus other assorted topics. She has become an actor over the past year and she no longer seems to do so much youtubing.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=zJaaLXZwmsU this is my absolute favourite about contouring - "if the men find out we can shapeshift they're going to tell the church!"

It's not just Nikkie's height though, it's her whole build, she is really big. As I said, I hadn't really seen her away from her YouTube channel, but the few times I had I could see she was big, but just assumed she was a woman with a very large frame. However, Google image is quite a revelation. I won't post the pictures here but if you goggle 'nikkietutorials tall' you will see.

I don't know why people are so hung up on the height thing. I have only written in support of Nikkie on this thread and I am someone who has actually watched her for a number of years.

If you watch her video she actually says she was going to get extremely tall and had treatment to stop her growing further. She's big build now but hasn't always been.

Who accused her of being a rapist please? I suggest you report that

Or are you creatively applying a general statement to a specific person ?

I remember someone making that accusation in a post when I first read the thread this morning. I believe that particular post has (quite rightly) been deleted by MNHQ now.

As Cohle says, we have no idea at what point in their relationship Nikkie told her fiancé about being transgender. It’s entirely possible that she told him before they got intimate (I imagine he would have noticed at that point anyways) and in any case it’s entirely between the two of them. She did say that she should have told him sooner and of course it’s usually good to be as honest as possible from the start, but really, who lays it all bare at the start of a relationship? Who tells a new partner about mental health issues / infertility / past trauma / a difficult financial situation or similar after the first date? All these things can be extremely relevant to a possible future as a couple but usually we only tell people we know and trust. Also the fact that Nikkie hadn’t come out at that point means she potentially had a lot to lose in terms of her career as well if he’d gone to the press about it.

I’ve occasionally watched Nikkies channel on and off for years and would never have guessed. Her make-up is not my style at all and I usually find OTT vloggers very annoying but definitely have a soft spot for her. She is undoubtedly very talented and seems like a really good egg. Many Youtubers appear to delight in mean gossip and slagging off their competitors, but she has always stayed well away from all the ridiculous drama and I’ve never heard her say a bad word about anyone. As a fellow tall woman, it’s also nice to see a bit of diversity among these make-up youtubers where many of the women appear to be tiny dainty little creatures with perfect feminine features.

I feel so sorry for her that she has been blackmailed in this way, nobody should be forced to divulge something so highly personal. Transitioning and also losing her little brother to cancer not too long ago must have been really tough and I wish her every happiness. I’m very critical of transing children and have some questions about the role of Nikkies mother in all of this but really hope this has been right path for her.

I would consider myself GC but will absolutely continue to refer to her as she/her and agree with some previous posters that anything else would feel unnecessarily rude to me. There are many times in life when we tell white lies, smooth over things or don’t address something we feel is wrong because it would be hurtful to another person or inappropriate in that particular situation. To me, addressing a fully transitioned transwoman who isn’t a threat to anyone by her preferred pronouns isn’t compromising one’s principles but basic decency. I know many posters on here will disagree with that because it could muddy the waters and critise how women are always expected to be kind. I understand that argument but would prefer to work towards a climate where we expect that kindness of everybody rather than seeing it as a doormat-ty weakness. Doesn’t mean there isn’t also a place and a time to discuss the very important arguments that need to be made to protect women’s rights and spaces.
Sorry for the ramble, as you will undoubtedly have noticed, English isn’t my first language so I’m a lot less concise than I’d like to be.

For those who have commented on her build, makeup, on-screen persona here's a screen grab from a very old video. She didn't suddenly appear as she is now. She didn't start off talking in the way she does now but all youtubers have a persona and she's built a very successful platform with hers.

Do we have any evidence that Nikkie was indeed being blackmailed? I have nothing bad to say about Nikkie personally so I've no reason to believe they are lying, but coming out in this situation is the perfect way to garner extra sympathy, PR could cook something like this up.

UpfieldHatesWomen yeah,call me cynical but I thought exactly that.

Nikkie has a very successful career already. Whilst others have launched their own makeup brands she hasn't. I'm pretty sure it was not for PR.

Does she really need the PR or sympathy though? She's very popular and gets lots of views.

I get the impression she would have happily lived her life as a woman with no mention of being trans due to the fact she said she felt it was all behind her. I also think she wouldn't have told the boyfriend for the same reason and her hand has been forced there too. I think the PR aspect comes in there as she's had to word that part of it all very carefully.

I feel sorry for her that she's been blackmailed though.

*Do we have any evidence that Nikkie was indeed being blackmailed? (...) coming out in this situation is the perfect way to garner extra sympathy, PR could cook something like this up.

No, we don't have any evidence of that, but it seems unlikely timing for a PR stunt if she and her fiancé are still "working through" him learning that she's trans. Also, she could have 'used' this years ago to become a 'trans-icon' but preferred to focus on her content rather than her personal life.

Also the fact that Nikkie hadn’t come out at that point means she potentially had a lot to lose in terms of her career as well if he’d gone to the press about it.

This is a good point.

I agree with your whole post actually!

Just by the by, I'm amazed this hasn't come to light sooner! There must be lots of people who knew (she talks about teachers and former class mates, then of course relatives, family friends, at least one ex-boyfriend, medical professionals) and she's been very successful with her channel for years. Of course this is pure speculation, but to me that indicates that she must be quite well liked in real life because usually there tend to be plenty of people 'from the past' who can't wait to share the dirt on anyone even remotely famous.

Yes, it's very unusual actually that someone with such a huge following has managed to keep a lid on something like this for so long!

UpfieldHatesWomen, it comes across that you are suddenly being critical of her because you have found out they're trans, rather than out of genuine concern for what women are being told about being a woman is. From what I've seen there are thousands of YouTubers/IGers who are portraying much worse.