Nikkietutorials comes out as trans

[Cocolapew]

I only know who they are due to DD watching their make up videos. They were on BBC 3s Glow Up program as a guest judge.
Apparently they were being blackmailed and so came out in a video, which is a bit shit for them.

Feminism has changed init? I don't really understand why this is on this board and who really cares about makeup artists and 'beauty icons.' Still I have spent too much time talking about the Royal family recently so who am I to talk? What has happened to us all? Why aren't we talking about women's stuff?

That’s a bit shortsighted Boule.

Nikki has 12.5 million followers on YouTube, plus those that watch and don’t subscribe. The majority of those people will be young girls/ women, who will be tomorrow’s mother’s, aunts, teachers etc.

She has a huge amount of influence on an important demographic and so it’s not unfeminist to talk about her.

I’ve never heard of her before but just watched the ‘coming out’ video as it was shared and yeah, it’s not a massive surprise surely? It’s a sad story laden with stereotypes (she knew she was a girl because she liked playing with dolls and makeup) and pigeon holing a child because of that, sad that she went through so much medical & surgical treatment so young (she describes social transition around 7, blockers to stop her growth not sure at what age, cross-sex hormones at 14 and full surgery by 19). She talks a lot about “I am me”, I just wish that she could be herself in her own body, without the need for all the intervention to conform physically to a stereotype. She’s a lifelong medical patient now, because society thinks men shouldn’t like makeup. Well done society.

The blackmail is despicable clearly.

@Doyoumind

I don't think the thread belongs in this board either. I actually like Nikkie but it does explain the 6ft something height.

Eh? I'm 6ft something. Biological woman etc etc. Not all women are 5ft something

I don't know who she is really, I saw her on the MUA competition that Stacey Dooley was presenting a while ago and assumed she was trans anyway 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm aware women can be over 6ft but 6'2" is unusual for a woman. I actually said in another post I only put it down to her being Dutch as I've come across a lot of tall Dutch people.

I'm pretty sure her height was part of what made you think she was trans. I didn't and 12.5m subscribers who have watched her for 11 years didn't.

I’ve watched her videos on/ for well over 6 years and I was surprised by it.

I’ve not watched as much of her content recently because her style has gone very over the top and almost drag-esk.
She has always been quite camp and dramatic but in the last year or two it has increased to the point where I don’t enjoy her content as much as I find it less relatable.
It’s funny because I had thought a couple of months ago, after watching one of her videos, that her current style made her look more trans/drag/masculine and it was a strange style to go for, but I do know she has a huge gay following so I just assumed she was aiming her content more at them.
When watching the ‘coming out’ video I did wonder if this has all been intentional, to give people a clue to somehow soften the impact when she eventually had to reveal it.

I think it’s awful that she was forced into revealing her transgender status by being blackmailed and I do feel sorry for her about that.
However, I think what shocked me more is that she confessed she hid her transgenderism from her boyfriend for quite a while into their relationship, they’ve only been together around 18 months, engaged for 6 of those I believe, and she said they moved very quickly and she was swept up in it and didn’t tell him for quite a while although when she did he supported her.
I imagine he must have had an idea, because how could he not, but I really don’t feel ok with her hiding it from him.

I don't agree with her keeping it secret from her fiance but anyone worth a lot of money and with a profile needs to be a bit wary.

I think the makeup style is over the top but it is one she made her own and it does sit alongside Jeffree Star and James Charles and the like. It was very different when she started.

I appreciate that someone like Nikkie is in a difficult position regarding coming out, but I honestly feel pissed off that I've been made to doubt my own instincts. Women can recognise male features for the reason of our own protection, and this element of dishonesty in trans presentation shouldn't be overlooked. Women are constantly made to doubt our own instincts in order that we may be more easily controlled, so even though in this case it's understandable Nikkie would want privacy, I don't appreciate the deceit involved and find it (I hate this word, but it fits) triggering.

I saw her on the BBC3 programme and just assumed she was trans. Never heard of her before that

People saying this thread should not be here are out of order IMO. I don't think the right way to widen the number of women who access this board is to aggressively jump on anyone who posts something you think isn't worthy of being here.
For me that is a problem with this board overall. A lot of interesting content but also a lot of posters who seem to think they own the board, can police what is worthy of discussion, talk down to other posters and overall come over as rather bullying.
Surely anything that a woman wants to bring to this board is worthy of discussion and analysis? Or is it only those women who agree with prevailing views, and post in the right way?

@Doyoumind

I'm aware women can be over 6ft but 6'2" is unusual for a woman.

I'm aware of how 'unusual' it is as I am also 6'2". And no, I had no idea how tall she was.... but your comment about her height being explained by her biological sex was just plain ignorant. There are tall women in EVERY country. And more than in your limited experience. Not just Holland 🙄

For me, almost anything can be discussed/analyses from a feminist perspective. I think - does this issue affect women differently from men? And in this case - heavily involving gender stereotypes and someone who influences millions of young women and girls - clearly it does, so is worthy of feminist analysis. But I expect FWR threads to focus on that aspects whereas a chat thread would be more concentrating on the bullying/blackmail, good for her etc.

This has made me chuckle with the ‘brave and stunning’ transwoman trope we always joke about here though, because actually this was a fairly brave step no matter how you feel about it, and she has clearly stunned a lot of people who weren’t expecting it.

Shouldn't this thread be in chat? It's celeb gossip isn't it?

Why was my post deleted?!?! I stated the fact that males leading the trend for young girls spending hours and cash on applying heavy make-up, and selling their own products to them as a result, is worthy of feminist analysis. Being gay or trans shouldn't exclude anyone from feminist critique. If straight men were pushing to young girls the investment of money and time into using/buying beauty products to achieve hyper-feminine looks it would be called out as sexism and exploitation of female insecurities. Being gay or trans shouldn't exclude anyone from feminist critique.

I also stated that I could tell Nikkie was trans the first time I saw them because of their large frame and their way of speaking which seemed influenced by male gay culture.

Am I the only person in the world who has never watched a YouTube make up video?!

So, from infancy their mother told them she was convinced she was having a girl...

I don't think parents realise the damaging effects those sorts of comments can have if repeated often enough. Their mother should have dealt with her 'gender disappointment' privately not passed it on to her child who is now a lifelong patient wrt hormones and post-surgery care. It's not very glamorous when you think of it that way, although i have nothing against Nikki personally.

Wow, I'm absolutely astonished by this revelation! I have followed Nikkie for years on YouTube and it has never occurred to me that she is trans! I saw her 'coming out video' come up on my newsfeed but assumed it was about something totally different.

There were some things I thought were a bit unusual, eg. Her height but obviously some women are just tall and have a large build. Plus I don't think I had ever really seen her actually walking around, obviously all her vids are just shoulders and above. But her voice and everything, like others I think I attributed a lot of the 'sassy' talk to the fact that English is not her first language.

I'm truly stunned! All that surgery, hormones and lifelong medication....I really do hope she is happy - she seems like a good person and is very talented.

Can I ask why some people immediately switch to they/them pronouns as soon as somebody's revealed to be trans? She clearly prefers she/her and it seems like an attack on her to ignore that.

Men attack people by, y'know, actually attacking them.

Women "attack" people just by choosing words for themselves. Would you like a scold's bridle with that @rocketmen ?