Nikkietutorials comes out as trans

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I only know who they are due to DD watching their make up videos. They were on BBC 3s Glow Up program as a guest judge.
Apparently they were being blackmailed and so came out in a video, which is a bit shit for them.

@rocketmen no, if i cared about having a friendship with that highly improbable person i would probably toe the line, but i would expect that to flow both ways and for them to respect my belief in the immutability of sex. You can't compare fair comment on a public figure to a personal relationship!

*Personally I'm more "up in arms" against the transgender political movement which is homophobic, sexist and blatantly dangerous to women than I am "up in arms" against individual transpeople.

We all lose out by no longer having definitions of sex and sex-based rights.*

... and to children.

This is my concern. I don't know Nikki at all. I object to the language and phrases in the coming out film regarding the "fact" you can be born in the wrong body and that "living your life your way" is interpreting by some others to mean throw your weight and tantrums around and demand access to women's spaces.

Given out on such a huge platform.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=mEaeJJQDGfc
This is the only make up tutorial anyone needs to watch.

Everybody has their own standards of respect, but I think it's basic respect to not refer to somebody as the pronouns they're uncomfortable with.

Well, I think it's basic respect not to ask people to use pronouns that they're uncomfortable with. So I think you're every bit as disrespectful as you clearly think I am.

unwashedanddazed 😂

Demanding that an entire sex class of women submit to pretending that male people are now female because they know how to contour and have pretty bayalage? That would seem to suggest that a person doesn't see members of the female sex as quite as human as the male sex they are expected to pander to and validate

Once again cheering you from here @Barracker

Unwashed

Hilarious, should be on the curriculum!

I can usually spot a transwoman a mile off - I think most women can spot them much better than men can - but I’m really shocked!!

@unwashedanddazed i think i'm in love! Who is she?

@fortheloveofmoney a hearty and unladylike yawn in your direction

Your approach is all very well fortheloveofmoney

However accepting transwomen as women is problematic for me, because I see woman as purely referring to my reproductive capability/the reproductive capability one should have if nothing went wrong.

I strongly believe that I have suffered hurt, discrim8nation, violence just because of my sex. I see nothing that binds me to all other women other than than sex. I don't want anyone to think that, beyond that sex and other observable facts ( age for example ) there is anything that classifies me with the group called women wether or not that group includes transwomen

It took me years to overcome my disappointment at reaslising I was female. This whole transwomen are women thing really feels like a kick in the teeth, I feel accused of being a woman because I didn't do enough to convince people otherwise . I am a failure.

I don't think anyone should be pressured into stating their gender;sexuality:sex if they don't want to . I think anyone can dress how they like, express themselves how they like but

Don't make assumptions about me based on my sex that are invalid. Like suggesting my sex is the same as a transwomans, or that there is some definition of woman that I fit into that is independent from my sex.

I actually like Nikkie but it does explain the 6ft something height
It doesn't.

So her fiance didn't know?

How weird, fortheloveofmoney. You appear to be having an argument with someone who hasn't posted on this thread.

Having said that, as regards to Nikki's boyfriend, it is a lot more dangerous to pretend to a heterosexual man that you're a natal female when you're not, rather than the other way round. Several transwomen have been murdered by men when they discovered they were transgender.

In any event, no one deserves to have a sexual relationship with someone who has told a fundamental lie about who they are (although I find it extremely unlikely that a man wouldn't realise someone who has a neo-vagina wasn't born female).

That's nothing compared to the danger of actually being a heterosexual woman in a relationship with a man though, is it? @Clymene

2-3 women a week just in the uk alone. regular as clockwork and no-one outside their immediate family bats an eyelid. It's the way pf the world, we're told.

If he didn’t know then Nikki should be ashamed. It is NEVER ok to deceive someone into a romantic/sexual relationship.

In uk law isn't it considered that consent is not given by person a if they have deceived as to the sex of the other party?

@midgebabe I had to read your comment a few times so I apologise if I've misunderstood anything you said, but I'm not sure why you think I've made any assumptions about your (our?) sex – I simply said "I made a decision to accept transpeople for who they are" – because to me, that's the right thing to do. I'm sorry that you feel like a failure, but I'm not sure what that has to do with transpeople. If you choose not to accept transwomen as women, then that's your decision, not mine.

Well indeed RuffleCrow. The most danger a woman is ever in is when she is in a heterosexual relationship. But obviously pesky facts don't fit with the narrative.

As far as her fiance is concerned, I'm surprised no one on this thread has addressed why she may have held off telling him. It's incredibly dangerous to be trans, especially if you don't "pass" as your chosen gender, so whether you agree with her decision or not, I can understand why she would want to wait until she could trust someone before she came out to them

How is it incredibly dangerous to be trans?
Surely if you trust someone enough to get engaged to them you would trust them enough to be honest with them, otherwise you are lying and gaslighting them.

It's not a decision any more than accepting the existence of gravity is a "decision" @fortheloveofmoney. Biology-deniers believe men and women exist only according to internal feelings. Biology-accepters go with the evidence.

But if she says she wished she's told him sooner that indicates he didnt know for a certain period of time. That's still deceit.

What objectively is it that makes a transwoman a woman?

Objectively women to me relates to sex. With transwomen I am told that it's they feel like a woman

I feel like,. Not a man, not a woman. As a younger person I did think I was a man.

However my sex is obvious, and I don't want to deny that because that could restrict my access to sex related medical health ( detecting a heart attack ) it could affect my ability to claim use of resources allocated to my sex for the purposes of overcoming discrimination ( eg salary review) . And to deny really it would require serious medical intervention.

So to receive the rights due to me because of my sex, I feel bullied into accepting some gender identity that is nothing to do with me.