M&S + John Lewis - your poor Christmas sales will be due to the contempt you've shown your female customers

[Sunkisses]

It's all over the news that M&S and John Lewis have had terrible Christmas sales. I am absolutely sure this is due to the terrible press coverage they received and viral threads of Twitter about how they allow men into the female changing rooms, the contempt they treated their female customers with when we voiced our complaints, and the 1,000s of us who pledged not to shop with them over Christmas. I stuck by my pledge over Christmas and they lost about £1,000 of custom from me with gifts and food. Anyone else kept up their boycott?

shush 🤫 BernardBlacksWineIceLolly You’re not allowed to call them men. That’s why I use TRA. I’ve already had my wrist slapped for being naughty. 😁

but the people buying women's M&S knicks and leaving reviews as 'males' are men, men menly men men

they've said so themselves

so all joking aside, it must be appropriate on a feminist forum to note that making women uncomfortable is one way a depressingly large number of men get their jollies

implies inadequacy in other areas of their lives, no?

I couldn’t care less and still shopped and will shop in M&S and John Lewis
If you dont mind wanked on underwear, then you do you eh!

The next logical step for those who require the presence of uncomfortable women to be happy, is to have a massed tantrum that women have largely stopped using toilets and changing rooms in public areas, work places, everywhere really.

Hasn't this already started? Was there not some woman reported to HR for actually entering then leaving a toilet allegedly because a trans person was in there first? In the city?

Yes, I remember that. And in one of the universities, there were complaints because the new mixed-sex toilets was going to have bigger walls between the cubicles than the women’s toilets & the TRAs saw this as an insult.

Was there not some woman reported to HR for actually entering then leaving a toilet allegedly because a trans person was in there first?

Yes there was, the transwoman was very upset because the woman wouldn’t play along and share the toilet with them.

Was that the woman who entered the toilets and left and the transwoman in question then posed in said office toilets with a fencing epée (a sword, for anyone not familiar with fencing terms) wrapped in the trans flag colours? Or is that a different one?

the transwoman in question then posed in said office toilets with a fencing epée (a sword, for anyone not familiar with fencing terms) wrapped in the trans flag colours?

If there was media coverage of this please share! Pink and blue baseball bats of social justice, the posh version.

I think that was two different situations.

If I remember, the TW upset about a woman leaving the toilets - without having established if the woman had a reason like having forgotten something or her phone ringing - was the thread about the Civil Service? I can't remember if it was a theoretical scenario or an actual one.

One of the reviews above even says it’s not a perversion!
You’d wonder why it needs mentioning, so...

This one?

The erm.. person actually reported a woman who refused to validate them (this is hard bloody work) by using an adjacent cubicle? 🤮

That doesn't look like a toilet, though why anyone would need to take their epee to work is another question.

Also, I fully expect "she walked out of a space after seeing me and my feminine penis and that's a crime, somehow" to end up in an actual court at some point, probably in Canada or on the US West Coast. Portland maybe.

A bit like why someone would wear their fetish rubber suit to work under their work clothes.

Swords, rubber, routing around for some used sanpro...just your average loo stop before your 10 o'clock...

"We just want to epée..."

(Makes sense now.)

Kittens they might not have posed in the toilet, they took the photo after recounting how a woman removed herself from the toilets upon seeing them (probably she just didn't tut loudly enough). There was definitely a ladies toilet involved. I may have confused the location of the photo itself with that of the transwoman who took photos of themselves naked and with their penis erect in the ladies toilets of a women's domestic abuse refuge.

But it never happens, obviously.

Yes, I remember that epee person was raging that the woman saw them and then left.

So much for just wanting to pee...

Also, I fully expect "she walked out of a space after seeing me and my feminine penis and that's a crime, somehow" to end up in an actual court at some point, probably in Canada or on the US West Coast. Portland maybe.

Yes, kittens. I remember as a girl reporting a flasher to the police and they were great (apparently he was a repeat offender). Of course, these days presumably he'd have cornered me in a woman's toilet rather than loitering in an alley outside the cinema. Do you think we're going towards a time when we're going to be reminiscing about how flashing used to actually be a crime?

Do you think we're going towards a time when we're going to be reminiscing about how flashing used to actually be a crime?

I think the Woke idiots will get us perilously close.

Considering how fast the goalposts have shifted from 'we just want to pee/there's a tiny number/you won't even know' to 'you will use a gender neutral/mixed sex space and to be uncomfortable with that/have any expectation of bodily privacy from the opposite sex is transphobic' and it's fine to talk about fishy women and have men with erections in full pup play outfits and drag queens with full on sexual names introducing themselves to small children, I think flashing is going to be seen as rather twee by July.

Boundaries ruptured in all directions. There's a reason why so many of the people driving this movement call themselves 'anarchists' and 'queering' is about destroying all standards, boundaries, limits. (Only other peoples' though. Not theirs.) This is movement of giant toddlers, and a nation of wimpy authorities who have lost the nerve to say 'no' and wait out tantrums.

And when you pin it down and ask: what is in this for the people you're doing this to?

The sole answer is: this is just about I Want To. It gives me the feelz I want. And suggesting I should deny myself to consider my impact on anyone else is an unacceptable limit on the wonder of Me and my need for my feelz. (Everyone else can put their feelz away about how they feel about this though: everyone else is cast as Mummy/unconditional enabling service provider and shouldn't even have feelz.)

Well we all know about escalation. What gave the buzz last week won't do this week. And so it goes on.

I swear I want to sit the whole of ruddy Westminster down and do some serious training in recognising personality disorders and what Not To Do when working with highly difficult people. With no ability for reciprocal social contracts, and no sense of empathy or respect for others. And addictions.

I would definitely walk out of a bathroom if a TRA was in there...especially if they had a epee with them! Why?!!

For the same reason that some people who define themselves as highly vulnerable and fragile with a likelihood of self harming if upset by others will warn you that they will rape/kill you/wish you dead if you thwart them.

Lundy Bancroft has a whole range of books on this.

flashing is going to be seen as rather twee by July
Spat my tea out, it's all over me. Funniest thing I've read this week.