M&S + John Lewis - your poor Christmas sales will be due to the contempt you've shown your female customers

[Sunkisses]

It's all over the news that M&S and John Lewis have had terrible Christmas sales. I am absolutely sure this is due to the terrible press coverage they received and viral threads of Twitter about how they allow men into the female changing rooms, the contempt they treated their female customers with when we voiced our complaints, and the 1,000s of us who pledged not to shop with them over Christmas. I stuck by my pledge over Christmas and they lost about £1,000 of custom from me with gifts and food. Anyone else kept up their boycott?

If M & S did a silky knicker range especially for men, in the men's section and labelled as for me, do you think it would be as popular?

No other changes to the underwear just where it was located and how it was labelled.

I believe that if they were labelled "men's" silky, lacy underwear - they would no longer appeal to the cross-dressers... well, I guess it wouldn't be "cross-dressing" at all.

I would like to see this happen, actually. Put it to the test.

The usual suspects not here defending the rights of those who would enjoy a bit of M&S?

A bridge too far even for them?

I know we'll ultimately be cancelled but you lot are really making me laugh:

I don't know what to say. Apart from I am never buying pants in M+S again.
Some of the men call them ' panties'....puke

I've just signed up to M&S as a gender fluid, non binary woman so I can leave a review in the men's pants section - let's see if this is a reciprocal agreement. I note that I was triggerred by the fact that the only woke pronoun available to me was Mx - no Zie, Hir, they or Zxk [OUTRAGE] [OUTRAGE] [M&S is CANCELLED]. I have actually worn some M&S men's briefs in an amergency and they were quite comfy.

When I look at the M&S knicker reviews on my tablet they appear at the side of the screen and no longer say whether the poster is male or female. When I look at “Home” ones, eg for duvet covers, the reviews cover the whole width of the screen and still give the gender. I’ve tried this several times, going back and forth between departments, with the same result.

I’ve just checked on the desktop - the gender is given for everything I looked at there.

OMG! I only get the choice of the 2 bog standard boring genders when leaving my review. WTF M&S!!!

I have actually worn some M&S men's briefs in an amergency and they were quite comfy.

I bought some men’s jersey boxers years ago to see if they were more comfy under long summer skirts. My verdict: too draughty without any discernible benefits on the chafing front. Thankfully cycling shorts came back into fashion in the meantime, so there hasn’t been a repeat. It’s a good job it was 20 years ago, because that youthful experimentation would probably bring me under the big umbrella these days.

My review is live in the men's pants section as a Female :)

Although the relevant section is actually called "Underwear" for them wheras we get "Knickers" and our own section. We also get "Sexy Lingerie" which the poor blokes don't - "Thermal Underwear" is as risque as they get.

What's the betting that someone high up as M&S is a cross dresser or transwoman or whatever they are now.

Cousin says it's a mighty clusterfuck, based on rumours she hears emanating from higher up, with several stores flat out refusing to comply.

I wonder how they're handling the stores that just straight up refuse to comply with the policy. Personally, I'd like them to publish a list so everyone who wants non wanked on pants that they can try on in a changing room without someone wanking next door knows which stores to support.

I wonder how they're handling the stores that just straight up refuse to comply with the policy. Personally, I'd like them to publish a list

Except said stores would be pounced on and decried as "transphobic" (which means "cares about women", btw. Hey, if they can Humpty Dumpty words then so can I).

Well done everyone! I'm proud of everyone who thinks this is actually something to worry our pretty little heads over.

I managed not to buy anything from this Christmas.

I regularly bought their cakes and honestly would have given food items as gifts this year too in particular their Scottish shortbread tins. I found another family company in Scotland.

I also told my mother and sisters who won't be shopping their either.

Every little helps.

Every little helps

Or this is a m and s boycott.
Unless we're all boycotting tesco too, probably can do that without much bother, but here's hoping Asda dont go the same route or I really will be underwear less.

Gah not just any boycott, but an m and s boycott

Nice one, Danger!

If you went to a cafe and the owner and other customers were rude and said they didn't want your type there, would you insist on staying and buying lunch from them anyway; or would you go to another place where you were welcomed with a friendly hello and given equally nice tea and cake?

I couldn’t care less and still shopped and will shop in M&S and John Lewis

Yes, and many people will. However some won't. Individual decisions based on something within M&S' control.

I couldn’t care less and still shopped and will shop in M&S and John Lewis

No ones forcing you to care about women being told they have to accept sharing with men and no one is telling you that you have to stop shopping there. That’s the difference between GC women and the TRAs. We may not agree with your choices, but we’re not going to bully you into changing your mind. Your conscience is your own business.

I couldn’t care less and still shopped and will shop in M&S and John Lewis

If you're cool with buying wanked-on knickers and undressing next to random blokes wanking in the next cubicle you crack on love

Surely everyone has a store or business that they won't return to, and good reasons for the choice. My boycott of Lloyds Pharmacy has lasted 21 years. (Waves!)

What I find very odd are posters who tell us off because we exercise individual choice, as if we are not entitled to make our own decisions. If I were a TW and wanting to use women's changing rooms, I would be as discreet as possible and very aware of upset I might cause to, say, the older generation. Instead new posters keep criticising us for putting pressure on M&S. And not calling out exhibitionists who clearly enjoy bringing attention to themselves in changing rooms and on the website.

And guess who M&S listen to.....

Even when TRAs 'win' and gain access to womens spaces, that's not good enough for them. They still need to make women using those spaces uncomfortable.

And the silence is deafening from the supporters...

Pantiewank.

There.

I have invented a word and I am going to use it.

Even when TRAs 'win' and gain access to womens spaces, that's not good enough for them. They still need to make women using those spaces uncomfortable.

When the TRAs outnumber the females in the women’s changing rooms, they’re going to need something else. What, I wonder, will be next? Will they demand that the female staff help them get dressed, because they are too delicate and clumsy to dress themselves?

The next logical step for those who require the presence of uncomfortable women to be happy, is to have a massed tantrum that women have largely stopped using toilets and changing rooms in public areas, work places, everywhere really....

Even when TRAs 'win' and gain access to womens spaces

it's not TRAs. It's men (usual namalt rules apply). (some) men's sexuality is weird and destructive and gets off on making women uncomfortable. It explains a lot of things when you realise that