What are fishies? Channel 4 Big Fat Quiz of the Year

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Just that. A question on the Big Fat Quiz of the Year posed by drag queens, what are fishies.

Programme presented by Jimmy Carr. Participants Noel Fielding, someone who does the BA security videos, @AsimC86, Roisin Conaty, Maya Jama, MTV presenter and former girlfriend of Stormzy, Richard Ayoade and Dara O'Briain.
It would not be acceptable for any other group of people to be named accordingly to the supposed smell of their genitals, but it's ok when it comes to women, channel 4.

When your normal resembles a sexually transmitted disease requiring treatment for the people you're sneering at perhaps a bit more self awareness is in order.

I don't think BV is an STD.

Just to take that off, the fishy comments are bad enough!

God - those details about the 'foul' smell. Just ... yeuch.

Wait till you find out about the brillo pad like hairballs, koshkat.

just because I’m a woman and happen to have a vagina

If you are a woman you don't just 'happen to have a vagina'. Having a vagina is an essential component of what makes you female. It is not happen' stance.

Well...C4 have rushed to respond to my complaint.

Not.

Have you seen their "Complaints Welcome" ad campaign?

So C4 think it's super to joke about women's cunts smelling of fish on mainstream (family?) TV.

Good to know.

I haven't heard back from Channel 4 yet, not Ofcom.

Channel 4 suggested they would reply within 48 hours, though appreciate it's likely to be a time of year with low staffing.

I can't even begin to think how they will defend it.

Ofcom usually only investigate if they get numerous complaints.

I already complained to C4 about Drag Race, mentioning the often mysogynistic language used and offensive attitudes engendered towards women in general. I was offered the platitude that "we have in this country a long history of drag as entertainment". So it seems that if it was ok then, it's ok now - is that it? erm.... black and white minstrels were "ok" once, too.....

Probably worth everyone who has complained to Channel 4 complaining to Ofcom too as they might not brush it off quite so easily?

I agree Jane Austen

I've not heard back off C4 yet either. I also complained to Ofcom.

C4 finds this treatment of women entertaining then. I'm so sick of misogyny being given the nod because the oppressors happen to be parodying their warped stereotype of what women should be. Tits and ass. With glitter

Have you seen their "Complaints Welcome" ad campaign?

Yes, they're very confident that any complaints will be from bigotry and ignorance rather than thinking anyone could have a genuine reason to complain. It feels quite arrogant to me, like they have no reason to ever question their own judgement.

Right, I've finally got round to complaining to OfCom. What's the betting they do absolutely nothing.

I've just done a quick count and 16 of us said we'd complain. That's a significant number. Just looked at OfCom's latest fortnightly report and most complaints are just 1 person or a couple of people etc.

Whilst we are on the subject btw...I've got quite a few TV subscriptions (sad case I am), and most of them advertise exclusive content but I noticed this point earlier this year in which nearly every single platform and app (Netflix, NowTV, Iplayer, etc) was pushing farking Drag Race

I know many people like it but I won't watch it out of principle. I genuinely find Womanface to be offensive. But isn't it amazing that it's pushed and pushed and pushed at us?!

I've not heard back off C4 yet either. I also complained to Ofcom

It will take a little while longer than usual due to the time of year, and also due to the numbers of complaints involved. They'll come back with a standardised response - at which point we pursue the complaint to the next stage.

I've already complained to the BBC over Drag Race - and my complaint is now at the second stage - where i will expect a further and more directly tailored response to my initial complaint.

I complained to channel 4 but am now going to complain to ofcom. Hopefully there will be loads of complaints!

I've submitted an Ofcom complaint now too. It said on my automatic Channel 4 response that a reply could take up to 7 days. With the holidays, I'm hoping we'll get an initial response by Monday.

C4 response

We are sorry you found some of the comments made on The Big Fat Quiz of the Year 2019 to be in poor taste. The Big Fat Quiz of the Year is a well-established satirical review of the year's events and is broadcast after the watershed with appropriate warnings of strong language and adult humour. Please be assured your complaint has been logged for the information of those responsible for the series.

Poor taste? These comments were grossly misogynistic and offensive. Uttered by grown men in a derogatory way towards females. Reducibg women to "smelly" genitals.

Poor taste???

I went into some detail about why this so called 'humour' is so inappropriate and why abusive slurs directed at oppressed groups are never acceptable.

The watershed comment was because I watched the show with my kids. Just because it's after 9, does that make bigotry (to coin a TRA phrase) acceptable then? I don't want my children being taught that it's OK to verbally abuse women, that women don't matter.

It's all so predictible. If this were abuse directed at any other group, the men at the top would take it seriously and respectfully.

That's what they think of women.

Have complained to Ofcom too.

May have missed this so far, but the reason for the 'fish' smell being associated with vaginas is that after natural sex (no condom) the mix of semen with women's natural secretions can often smell 'fishy'. Vaginas on their own, nope. After sex, yes, possibly.

I saw this show and wasn't happy. It seems that dressing like a male fantasy cartoon of a woman isn't enough, they want to measure which of them they think are most 'like a woman' and therefore so much so that they would have had sex with a male. It's all too weird.

DH and I discussed whether there is the male equivalent of drag. Maybe there is, but it does seem that men dressing this way is such a mainstream fetish of men. Was also surprised in the show that on the Downton image, they used two men for the women instead of the women. Perhaps it just made it more obvious that the faces were wrong? Dunno. Was a shame that women only made up 1/3 of the panel too.

I never watch anything that contains Jimmy Carr, Richard Ayoade or Drag Queens. I can't bear Jimmy Carr in any way. Ayoade is often described as 'dry' or 'droll'. I find him arrogant, self-satisfied and Sneering. Am sick of the whole Drag Queen thing- it is anti-woman and they get away with it because people are scared to be accused of not being PC if they criticise them. It is bitchy, offensive, misogynistic rubbish and we should boycott it.

I got precisely the same response (and I hadn’t mentioned the watershed) so I suspect it is a standard response sent to a group of viewers who had complained.
I agree that the response completely misses the point about the horrible misogyny.

I'd challenged them about why that question was asked and do they think it is acceptable? If so, why?

It's all so dismissive. From single sex provision to women's health, our concerns are treated with such abandon and/or contempt.