What are fishies? Channel 4 Big Fat Quiz of the Year

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Just that. A question on the Big Fat Quiz of the Year posed by drag queens, what are fishies.

Programme presented by Jimmy Carr. Participants Noel Fielding, someone who does the BA security videos, @AsimC86, Roisin Conaty, Maya Jama, MTV presenter and former girlfriend of Stormzy, Richard Ayoade and Dara O'Briain.
It would not be acceptable for any other group of people to be named accordingly to the supposed smell of their genitals, but it's ok when it comes to women, channel 4.

Time spent with him was a constant stream of 'jokes' at our expense. I think there was another part of him that did like us but it couldn't compete with his misogyny

I know what you mean......it is as if the 'camp drag routine' becomes a full time way of navigating the world and human relationships. comments about body; about weight; about sex......often bordering on rude, offensive or just downright insensitive.

What's that guy called who does the Bake-Off after show...he's hideous and bitchy...disguised as comedy. That's what I'm talking about.

Tom Allen

Please complain to Ofcom not Channel 4. Channel 4 can just give us the brushoff.

Bagachipz claims never to have used the word before and only reading from a script but the whole point was that it is well known piece of drag slang.

Thus script or not, Bagachipz knew what the word meant and chose to go on TV and use it anyway

I will take Bagachipz with a pinch of salt

Vile comments. Cannot believe a tv station allowed it.

Props to zanahoria perfect response.

Loathe that program and the presenter anyway, so no surprise they are prize pricks.

What is wrong with homosexually being 'mainstream'???

Homosexuality

That link upthread that said anyway fish is healthy and delicious..

Ok so I'll walk up to women and work and tell them I can smell a fishy smell, and they're to take it as a compliment, that's right, I think

@zanahoria

I have complained to Channel 4 - thanks to the pp who posted the link.

That's the hope.....that drag will be seen as normal; as a way of further mainstreaming gay culture and the social acceptability' of homosexuality. They hadn't bargained on any debate, discussion or criticism.

I also think they're trying to blur the boundary with transgenderism and mainstream that.

Ta Dana

but it should have been taking Bagachipz's vinegary comments with a pinch of salt

That link upthread that said anyway fish is healthy and delicious..

A TRA or MRA troll a few months back tried to make a similar argument here, that some fish are attractive

and why did Bagachipz choose a name that is so obviously connected with fish?

I’m confused by that too @Fraggling nothing against homosexuality being normalised at all and encourage it - what’s that got to do with drag and mocking women?

Here's a clip of Baga Chipz' 'Best Bits',
www.instagram.com/p/B5IQg50pvX5/
calling his female character a trollop, touching his supposed fanny then sniffing his hands (for 'fish' smell), talking about showing his minge repeatedly, saying 'shut your legs, there's a draught', talking about their 'tuppence' being on show, dressing up as Amy Winehouse and portraying her in the throws of her drug addiction for laughs (can anyone imagine a woman doing that for someone like Kurt Cobain and having anyone find it funny?), referring to bitches, commenting on the female guest's breasts etc. Besides being a poor effort at humour, it's the kind of misogyny no male comics would get away with.

I’m confused by that too @Fraggling nothing against homosexuality being normalised at all and encourage it - what’s that got to do with drag and mocking women?

I interpreted it (possibly wrongly) as that C4 associate drag with gay culture and are trying to push the idea that disliking drag is unacceptably unwoke.

Time spent with him was a constant stream of 'jokes' at our expense. I think there was another part of him that did like us but it couldn't compete with his misogyny. Luckily we didn't stay friends for long. I still feel afraid on some level when i think back on it though.

Honestly, this? Is jealousy, at least in part. The bloke who wrote the article for the Guardian touched on it and then retreated immediately, the sexual jealousy some gay men feel towards women. It's one of things that once you see it you can't unsee it, and start noticing how often it comes out as petty sniping and hypercriticism. I see it in the otherwise very intelligent Douglas Murray when he goes from incisive on other topics to nonsensical babble about the unfairly held sexual power of teenage girls, as a high profile example. Logically those men should be blaming the straight men who they see us as competition for for their lack of interest, but jealousy is never logical.

Someone will no doubt angrily report this comment and try to get it deleted but I really don't think we can talk about the relationship between gay men and women without acknowledging that dynamic. It's a significant part of what's going on with the way some transwomen who're attracted to men relate to women too, as well as the nonbinaries like Alok, Jacob Tobias, etc.

Jealousy definitely has a part in this. I remember gay friends in our 20s expressing their frustration when attractive men were unavailable because they were het. Some gay men would make the same class of jokes about converting het men as some het men would make about converting lesbian women. They displayed exactly the same sense of male entitlement.

Yes agree about jealous behaviour kittens.

This fishies word is absolutely vile. It would be like calling men cheesies.

I agree with the jealousy aspect, and I'd noted this about Douglas Murray too, who I hold in high esteem for his ability to discuss other subjects so fairly. I also sometimes experience being spoken down to by gay men, as a heterosexual and mainly 'female presenting' woman. In the same way transwomen attempt to bond with women by trying to start a 'girly' discussion, I've had gay men try to ask me if I've found myself a man yet, or coo over my new haircut etc. Some seem to think our place is in traditionally female roles, not so much in terms of employment, but more in terms of our interests and they way they think we should behave socially. Thus, the aggressive dressing down we get when we go against the woke consensus and step out of the female supportive roles, when we stand up for our own interests and object to misogyny in things like drag.

What is wrong with homosexually being 'mainstream

There's nothing wrong at all in general acceptance of different sexualities.....but drag seems to be the virtual bedrock of gay male culture. So in order to progress the public embrace of gay male sexuality and culture there is an attempt to 'mainstream' drag. Problem is, drag reveals the hidden streak of misogyny in much of its performance.

I’m confused by that too @Fraggling nothing against homosexuality being normalised at all and encourage it - what’s that got to do with drag and mocking women

What I meant was that through pushing drag into the mainstream it is a further attempt to counter homophobia...which is all well & good and very laudable, obviously, but the problem is that drag actually reveals a lot that is unpleasant in gay male culture. I don't think that consequence had been thought through. Gay male culture has been largely impervious and resistant to criticism.