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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowling

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MsMcWibble · 19/12/2019 13:02

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1207646162813100033
Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.
Live your best life in peace and security.
But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?
#IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill

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LangCleg · 20/12/2019 09:51

makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/hagworts-sorting-hat-quiz-what

Hagworts Sorting Hat Quiz. What type of Terf are you?

I don't think this has been posted yet. It's hilarious!

LangCleg · 20/12/2019 09:51

(Sorry: meant to say - old but suddenly current!)

birdsdestiny · 20/12/2019 09:54

I see owen jones is chuntering on about transphobes. Sigh.

Floisme · 20/12/2019 09:54

I think back to my younger days and hope I wasn't so sanctimonious, arrogant, patronising, deeply irritating Nellie-Know-All.

Oh I definitely was. But, as you say, it was mostly confined to the pub and the dining table.
Human beings are so weird - clever enough to invent social media but not clever enough to work out how to use it.

MurderOfGoths · 20/12/2019 09:56

Just seen someone on Twitter saying they don't like arguing with "TERFs" as "[TERFs] have no comprehension of the difference between a societal construct of gender and the biological categories of sex"

They don't even know what they are arguing against do they? Just yelling for the sake of yelling

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 20/12/2019 09:58

They don't even know what they are arguing against do they?

Nope, they all just feel they are correct.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 20/12/2019 10:00

I don't know how Twitter have the gall to claim they are just a platform when they do so much deboosting, banning, shadowbanning and other kinds of interference.
Increasingly one of the things I appreciate about Mumsnet is that there are no algorithms. I choose what I read, and if someone disagrees with me they don't hide it.

JanesKettle · 20/12/2019 10:01

I actually wasn't all that sanctimonious towards my elders. I knew that the first and second wave women had done a massive amount of work on my behalf, and I appreciated it. Even at 21.

JanesKettle · 20/12/2019 10:02

So have zero empathy for the young people currently wishing all types of ills on J.K.R.

TeaAndStrumpets · 20/12/2019 10:03

Barbara yes indeed! I see the twitter mob as a modern incarnation of the "green ink" brigade. What used to be called poison pen letters. Vile.

TheNameGames · 20/12/2019 10:17

@theflushedzebra

twitter.com/GioKashiwagi/status/1207858571989393410

This is incredible - I'm actually fairly scared this is where we are.

That video is amazing. Love the subtle “Nevertheless, she persisted” reference thrown in there too.

Waspnest · 20/12/2019 10:25

Love that TERF sorting hat.

Thank you JK, I hope you realise what a wonderful, significant thing you've done.

I'm of the pre-Harry Potter era but will force myself to sit and watch one of the films this Christmas (not the scary giant spider one though) with DD. (Already have the books, the mugs, the duvet covers...)

Twitter is a weird place, do tweeters really think that calling someone a terf is the ultimate insult now? Surely it's a bit like being called a fucking tory cunt on here, you just roll your eyes and think yeah, yeah yeah....

FloralBunting · 20/12/2019 10:25

Just seen someone on Twitter saying they don't like arguing with "TERFs" as "[TERFs] have no comprehension of the difference between a societal construct of gender and the biological categories of sex"

They don't even know what they are arguing against do they? Just yelling for the sake of yelling

I've noticed this very strongly over the past few years, via Twitter and the people we get visiting to educate us. No comprehension that a basic tenet of Feminist argument is that Gender and sex are different. They think Transactivism is the only group to understand that.

Hours of tediously explaining to visiting educators that yes, gender and sex are different, sex is real, and gender is the cultural construct that traps us in rigid categories and forms the mechanism by which women are oppressed.

The difference between Transactivism and Feminism is that Transactivism thinks Gender is good and wonderful instead of a negative and restrictive force.

This is why so many of us have spent so much time actually reading their arguments and propaganda - because if you don't accurately understand someone's argument, you just end up looking like a fucking prat arguing against something they don't even think in the first place.

Kit30 · 20/12/2019 10:27

I've joined twitter today specifically so I can't support JKR. There's a god article in today's Spectator too. Maybe the plot oval tide is turning in favour of common sense? Has anyone seen or heard the BBC reporting on Maya's story? I've got restricted access to the

Kit30 · 20/12/2019 10:29

...internet and can only get intermittent access

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 20/12/2019 10:32

I'm reading tweets telling JL "think before you tweet" by someone who probably isn't even born when she wrote her books, I read tweets saying she never did any writing after Harry Potter and I gone the full WTF.

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 20/12/2019 10:35

Thanks for that Lang Grin

Do you think I will get deleted for using
“🍆lady 🍆”??

AnotherNightWatering · 20/12/2019 10:40

Re BBC reporting, it made the front of certain papers today, so it was on the paper review on the BBC news channel at 10.30 last night, but not on the one an hour later.
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000chlx/the-papers-19122019
It was on about 13 mins in.

The two guest reviewers were:
Daisy McAndrew, Talk Radio
Sian Griffiths, Education and Families Editor at The Times.

SG quoted the full innocuous JKR tweet.
DmcA was careful not to say anything, noting that she knew how dangerous that subject was...

And they ran out of time to say any more, with the presenter saying they might return to it in the later paper review. But the subject wasn't mentioned at 11.30, I don't think.

AnotherNightWatering · 20/12/2019 10:41

All those replies to the JKR tweet, using emotional blackmail. All that - I loved you, you changed my life, why are you killing me now. Yet no rational arguments.

Datun · 20/12/2019 10:52

Yet no rational arguments.

They never are any.

The only argument is be nice.

And when you're trying to intimidate a woman worth £650 million to be nice or else?

Lol. As they say.

Kuponut · 20/12/2019 10:52

My "non-binary" friend (who has given birth to and makes a huge deal that she extended breastfed three children but is apparently not female and now binds those breasts as a source of shame and things to loathe) and whose FB feed is usually about 50% shite about Harry Potter pasted from Tumblr and the other 50% about how TWAW - is being incredibly quiet on this one.

I've decided the time is right to introduce DD1 to the Harry Potter series and just bought the earlier ones today for her for Christmas.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 20/12/2019 10:55

There seems to be a theme around something deeply rotten about British feminists / those born in the 1970's / poor things they just don't know what they are saying /they are so sexually repressed they don't understand sexual fluidity / they are puritanical.

Oh man these people are hilarious. The world is a far more sanctimonious and puritanical place today than it was even 10 years ago.

Oh, and IQ peaked amongst people born in the mid 70s in the western world.

(I know IQ is a really poor measure of intelligence, I was born in the mid 70s after all, but sometimes I wonder if there isn't something in the whole reverse Flynn)

ArranUpsideDown · 20/12/2019 10:55

They don't even know what they are arguing against do they? Just yelling for the sake of yelling

Even Femi seems to have blundered into this error...

ScrimshawTheSecond · 20/12/2019 11:00

British feminists / those born in the 1970's / poor things they just don't know what they are saying /they are so sexually repressed they don't understand sexual fluidity / they are puritanical.

Grin

That's right, sex and gender wasn't even invented until the mid 90s. When was the Discovery of Bisexuality, again? Was it 2012?

ArranUpsideDown · 20/12/2019 11:08

There is a real need for those in the sciences to speak up about this because the vast majority of regular people are just going by what they seem to be hearing from sources they believe are reliable.

From what I can tell of science, medicine, and skeptical Twitter - they're captured with exceptions like Margaret McCartney, Andy Lewis.

There are some big names who are not getting involved. It's not indifference. It's a realistic appraisal that it would embroil them and their young families in a career-damaging mess and destroying projects that they've been working on for decades. Beyond that, it would risk the jobs of everyone (and their families) who depends on them for research funding and for the valuable reputation of the department.

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