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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowling

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MsMcWibble · 19/12/2019 13:02

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1207646162813100033
Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.
Live your best life in peace and security.
But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?
#IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill

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2BthatUnnoticed · 20/12/2019 01:38

Oooh, ominous [~sarcasm]

When “educate yourself!” fails, and appeals to female socialisation fail, they move onto veiled threats

All the lols

JK Rowling
Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 20/12/2019 01:44

Yeah imagine how underpaid & unemployable JK’s agent must be Hmm

HandsOffMyRights · 20/12/2019 01:59

Thank you JK.

Re Walliams, this should be interesting because Matt Lucas has previously sided with TRAs....

theflushedzebra · 20/12/2019 02:00

I very much enjoyed a feminist's review of Amanda's book Wink Grin She really took one for the team reading it for us all.

Torchlightt · 20/12/2019 02:17

Anthony Ramos, who leads GLAAD’s engagement with celebrities on L.G.B.T. issues, said in a statement that Ms. Rowling had “now aligned herself with an anti-science ideology that denies the basic humanity of people who are transgender."
So saying that sex is real is now anti-science?

2BthatUnnoticed · 20/12/2019 02:28

Maya is not denying anyone’s humanity

Everyone one is valid and worthy and should lead their best life

The crux of the matter is, you cannot change your blood type (A, B, AB or O) or your sex (M, F)

And in some situations (prison, refuge) persons born F need spaces away from those born M. That’s it. That is the conflict.

Why, why, why is this so hard???

Is it because marginalised women like those hurt by KW and JY, matter so little?

Is because most of the left denies their humanity?

theflushedzebra · 20/12/2019 02:30

Anti-science my arse.

theflushedzebra · 20/12/2019 02:34

Seriously. They need to get out more.

It's like the world's become some weird bloody youtube social experiment.

People can, in the main, tell males from females. No matter what clothes or hairstyle they have chosen.

Goosefoot · 20/12/2019 02:37

I keep seeing that "rights are not pie" statement.

This comes straight out of people not really having a clue about the concept of rights, what they are meant to represent or how they are supposed to work, or how they are mediated in the law. Many people take it as an article of faith, and a guiding principle in how they think about social justice, that if everyone was afforded full expression their rights, all the time, they would never conflict, and they would balance just like the forces of the universe are balanced. It in a level of faith that no major organised religion subscribes to, as they are all observant enough to recognise that although that seems logical if you believe in good and evil, it is evidently untrue.

I think the business of so many thinking that trans ideology is scientifically supported is huge as well. Many many regular people are completely convinced of this. And no wonder, all the pop science magazines, the well respected ones, have written about it, the medical establishment seems to support it. People have been very influenced by magazines like National Geographic publishing whole issues about the science telling us that sex is not binary, that intersex conditions somehow tell us this.

There is a real need for those in the sciences to speak up about this because the vast majority of regular people are just going by what they seem to be hearing from sources they believe are reliable.

breakfastpizza · 20/12/2019 02:42

WALLIAMS! Yes! Although, I do wish he and Gervais would just spit it out.

The best part of all of this, is that the hysterical, sexist, misogynistic responses are reinforcing JK's position: women are being silenced and that's not okay.

To see people like Jameela, Patricia Arquette, Mara Wilson openly egg on - and join in - the abuse of women is stunning. What happened in their lives that made them think that was okay?

DeRigueurMortis · 20/12/2019 02:47

rights are not a pie

Actually they are right about that.

It's a shit analogy.

If you want to use baking terms then get it right.

Rights are like balance scales.

You need to weigh up the correct ratio for justice and fair play.

Trying to load the scale will only weight it down so unnaturally that it will spring back to equilibrium.

DonutMan · 20/12/2019 02:54

Oof!

theflushedzebra · 20/12/2019 03:04

In other news, Dr Harrop has been forced to stop gloating, in order to retweet the rage about JK. Oh, and of course to retweet Emma Watson wearing the trans rights T Shirt.

Ah Sad Adrian, you ok, hun?

JK Rowling
terfsandwich · 20/12/2019 03:07

Just had a look at twitter via an D pre-GC unused handle. No supportive GC tweets appear under the hash tag for me. TERF is trending 4th in Melbourne (Victoria), before #Sydneybushfires, then JKR.
It's imploding everywhere.

theflushedzebra · 20/12/2019 03:16

twitter.com/GioKashiwagi/status/1207858571989393410

This is incredible - I'm actually fairly scared this is where we are.

texasgurl · 20/12/2019 04:20

I'm so encouraged by her statement. Here, in the US, we are never allowed to dissent from the trans community. I have no problem with trans people. It's the aggression of some that bothers me. I've always considered myself liberal and feminist. I cannot believe that I have to defend this without being called 'backward.' It defies logic. The way that some transwomen have tried to enter our space just reeks of male aggression. The Canadian cyclist McKinnon comes to mind--what an aggro male. "Any woman who can't beat me is a loser."

GirlDownUnder · 20/12/2019 04:48

And the likes keep coming.

I’m wondering if twitter will dare delete JKs tweet because I’m sure they’ll be getting a TRA pile on of complaints for the tweet literally murdering eleventy billion trans people who aren’t even born yet...

#IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill
4:57 AM - 19 Dec 2019
25,178 Retweets 127,337 Likes

GirlDownUnder · 20/12/2019 05:31

And 40 mins later Shock Grin

25,569 Retweets 129,390 Likes

InionEile · 20/12/2019 05:49

What is transphobic about stating that biological sex is real? We all know it's real. Stating that you cannot change your biological sex is just fact. You can express your gender any way you want, as many people do, including many people here on mumsnet from those of us who are masc-presenting lesbians to masc-presenting straights to gender neutral presenting folks (me) to femme-presenting lesbians to femme-presenting straights and everything in between. Still, none of the above gender expressions means that we're not female. I didn't hallucinate pregnancy, birth, miscarriage, breastfeeding, menstruation for the past 30-odd years of my life. These are all real biological events that male-born people do not experience and I can't 'identify' out of them. There is no identifying out of the biology-based oppression that women live with every single day.

Even transmen still experience it since they are still not accepted as Catholic priests or hereditary lords and I don't see any transmen rocketing to the top of male sports leagues or being elected President or becoming billionaire CEOS.

The only way someone could think that these biological features are a 'construct' if they were male-born and can dismiss it all as some gross, shameful nonsense they don't need to engage with, as men have done for centuries about women's biological reality. Doesn't mean women should play along with that.

fuckitywhy · 20/12/2019 06:27

I hope she's okay. I had a rough night sleeping and kept randomly thinking about her and the social media shitstorm going on out there. It's one thing to know that you're about to say something that will cause waves, and another thing to experience them.

TiredofthisBS · 20/12/2019 06:32

It's the vitriol and bullying that gets me. These are the people who claim that trans people are the most 'oppressed people in the world ever'. Yet they are the ones doing the oppression. It's really not a good look and they are forgetting (as are the woke "celebrities" and blue ticks) that Twitter doesn't represent the what the rest of the world thinks.

I think they are a nasty, immature bunch fools. Imagine bullying one of the world's most beloved children's author because she supported the rights of women.^ The fact they have made this about them, no compassion, no empathy on hate . (Shakes head sadly)^

NotAssigned · 20/12/2019 06:32

All the articles are now coming out. This one in Vox by <a class="break-all" href="https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/identities/2019/12/19/21029874/jk-rowling-transgender-tweet-terf#click=t.co/E4BdfkybmQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Katelyn Burns

They are worth reading to try and understand the mentality of the other side and what is being claimed about us.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 20/12/2019 06:32

I hope she’s ok too. It must be quite unsettling to see that amount of invective directed at you for a perfectly reasonable tweet.

Frenchw1fe · 20/12/2019 06:36

@2BthatUnnoticed
Technically on rare occassions you can change your blood type.
Not helping with thread, just being pedantic.