Spoilt votes - post them here so that the parties/papers can see them

[MrsFogi]

I know there is a split of opinion about spoiling ballots vs voting for the least bad option.

If you do decide to spoil your ballot it feel free to post a photo of it here (be careful not to include any information that identifies you and in particular not to include the ballot's unique identification number) in case any of our loitering journalists wish to pick up the story or in the hope of giving the parties/candidates some pause for thought.

In case it is of interest (and you want a place to post your views for/against spoiling ballots), there have been a number of threads about spoiling ballots, a few links below:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3751902-Spoiling-my-ballot?pg=2 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3749890-Can-we-talk-spoiling-ballots-again-sorry
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3743237-advice-on-spoiling-ballot
Advice on Spoiling your vote

OnlyTheTit I’m with you 100% - have thought about this so much but being in a marginal I have come to the conclusions that I have to vote ABT, and here that is Labour. So thankful it’s not LDs, I don’t think I’d have been able to do that!

Will be lobbying the new MP straight away in any case, whatever colour she is.

Hats off to those of you making protest votes - please do share them. I hear you. Let’s amplify them as best we can.

LoonyLunaLoo "I don’t really get spoiling your vote due to trans issues. I mean I get that it’s an issue but are you really prepared to sail the NHS down the river for it? I think that’s a much more important issue for women especially as we arguably have more healthcare needs than men due to gynaecological health, child birth, breast health, menopause etc.

Do you not understand how women's health and healthcare and options will be impacted if any man can be a woman? Really?

You're ok with being called a chest feeding menstruator with a front hole, while male women claim the label of woman? To lose all choice over who does your intimate healthcare? To be forced to validate those men who make a mockery of womanhood, and put yourself a distant second to their "needs"? To have already threadbare female-specific healthcare services taken by males who need a smear to validate their gender feeling?

Stopping this pivotal change is the hook upon which everything else hangs.

My constituency was so marginal at the last election that they had to do 3 recounts. If the same thing happens again this time I imagine my paper (which has Woman = biology not "identity" written across the boxes) will get a bit of scrutiny in each one.

I will be voting tactically and am hoping for a hung parliament

I have a load of information and thoughts that I want to make public but have been prevented by incredibly stressful and demanding events in real life

One of the things I have been giving a lot of time to is supporting an extremely vulnerable friend through the process of reporting horrific violations against her to the police.

I cannot provide details of course, however one of the things i am supporting her with is her wish to make all kinds of drastic changes to her life, that will have long term consequences, all while she is in a state of great distress.

Having supported many women through similar situations I understand that there is a strong impulse to run away, to make drastic changes and to embark upon a new life.

I believe that the emotional turmoil of my friend resonates with the collective emotional turmoil that this country is facing and the resulting contitutional crisis.

During times of crisis individuals and groups experience a strong wish to make profound changes to their lives in the hope that it will make everything better.

Psychologists understand this very well and for this reason people who are going through a mental health crisis are usually advised not to buy a new car, file for divorce, get married, start a business or move to the other end of the country, etc.

It is not that these things are necessarly bad things to do. All or any of them might be the right thing for a person to do. The point is that descisions made in haste during a time of crisis often go catastrophically wrong and it is better to wait until a person's capacity to think and consider their choices is restored once their immediate crisis is over.

At least if we have a hung parliament it will allow time for certain things to be thought about, which is something that we definitely need.

For the record I have no faith whatsoever in the abilities of BJ, JC or JS

All of them and their parties have been undermined and compromosed by the kind of delusional magical thinking that underpins the trans rights narratives.

Everyone must do what is right for them of course but I think that tactical voting is the most constructive way forward

In the end I decided not to vote for the foremost independent candidate (who doesn't stand a chance) and spoiled my vote. I wrote NONE with explanatory text that I couldn't support any candidate or party seeking to change the law to encourage men identifying as women to enter women's single sex spaces.

Referring to a post above, using my vote to oppose Boris Johnson would have been voting to invite men identifying as women into women's single sex spaces. I'm not going to do that. (And yes, I did write to the Lib Dem candidate about this, and then heard nothing.)

Referring to a post above, using my vote to oppose Boris Johnson would have been voting to invite men identifying as women into women's single sex spaces. I'm not going to do that. (And yes, I did write to the Lib Dem candidate about this, and then heard nothing.)

I can definitely understand where you are coming from

However I think that it will be easier for us to challenge the threat to single sex spaces and related issues than it will be to challenge a hard brexit should BJ secure a majority

I wrote #sexnotgender.

I also think that it is an illusion that the tories do not support philosophies underpinning the GRA

Jo Swinson and Corbyn appear the most woke but the problem is a disturbing vein of delusions running through all parties

The same is true of antisemitism IMO, it may have been exposed the most openly in Labour but it runs through all parties including the Tories especially the nasty far right bunch of BJ associates

Buzz off because you are repeatedly harassing women over using our democratic voice our way. Everyone has answered your questions numerous times, you clearly don’t want reasoned answers as you repeatedly go on about how you can’t have the heart to not vote for the poor and vulnerable (except you clearly are because women are vulnerable and you are voting our rights out of existence). So yeah buzz off and stop wasting our time.

I respect your position completely hoodathunkit. For me I spoiled my ballot paper for the first time ever because to do anything that would appear to support the gender identity ideology would have felt wrong to me. I'm surprised at how much time I needed to spend thinking through this.

I've also spoilt my vote for the first time ever. I put a single continuous line through all boxes and wrote "NONE". Then I also wrote "Protect Women and Confused Children. NO to Gender Self ID".

I don't feel great about doing it but couldn't in good conscience vote for any of the candidates in my area. Even the tory candidate is strongly pro self-ID (but will v likely get in anyway).

Anyway, it hasn't escaped my notice that this thread is full of people saying "this is what I'm doing/have done, here are my reasons, but you do what you feel is right" and the opposition going "what you're doing is wrong, this is what you must do instead". That sounds very familiar. It gets less persuasive each time.

I just wrote None across the names. It broke my heart to do it and I had one last think before I did it. But I don't feel I had a choice.

Well I look forward to most of you proving me wrong and seeing tomorrow lots of headlines on the impact of your action.

Headlines not necessary thanks. This is the right thing for me to have done

I'm assuming I will be ignored. But at least I can look at myself in the mirror.

Only, no one spoiling will be telling you how to use your vote. I get the need for others to vote for this. I have several disabilities and my daughters have several more, the Tory cuts have effected us too and I’m lucky I’m not in your position I’m aware. But I can no longer vote against my daughters rights and mine and all other women to benefit your husband and others like him.

This is a thread about spoiling votes, and while I’m sure all of us welcome others views and experiences that lead to not spoiling, or genuinely interested questions in why we are spoiling, what myself and others are objecting to is the posters who come on and berate us for being so ‘privileged’ we can ‘throw away’ our votes and tell us we are naughty naughty women for not thinking about the menz. Those turning up on feminism boards, on a thread for spoiling (not who are we all voting for) and try and manipulate us by appealing to standard female socialisation to put everyone else first is vile. And then they bring up suffragettes as if we are betraying them or some such bs. It’s like going over to a breastfeeding thread and belittling women for trying to nurse because the poor menz want to give bottles and telling us that we are selfish for making our own choice about our bodies and that we are insulting the amazing formula companies who gave so much just so we can have a choice of how to feed. It’s bs. And I’m ranting now, sorry, because I understand your choice and your contribution here. And I’m sorry things are so tough for you just now and you are stuck with such a hard choice. But ultimately it’s the fault of the parties not women voting differently. And I’m sorry these fucking politicians put you in that place.

Spoiling a vote effectively translates to " none of the above " I guess .

However I think that it will be easier for us to challenge the threat to single sex spaces and related issues than it will be to challenge a hard brexit should BJ secure a majority

Once this is enshrined in law, there is no coming back from that. There is a much greater likelihood of us re-joining the EU than of reversing the legal and political erasure of women for the benefit a supposedly "more vulnerable" group.

Sorry hood my post was a reply to wish not you, it looks a bit like it’s intended as a reply to your post and that’s not what I meant.

And I agree that tories support self ID as much as other parties. I think there may be a few more Tory candidates who are willing to speak up against the party, but only because I expect labour and ld gc candidates would be more scared the fully woke bros in their parties would be mock offended and shut them down instantly. I think perhaps the gc Tory candidates would find it easier to speak up in a Conservative party anyways, as they are less about being seen as what’s ‘trendy’ anyways.

I think there are very few gc candidates in any party currently, and even less willing to speak up, and I think all parties are as equally vicious in their misogyny.

There is a much greater likelihood of us re-joining the EU than of reversing the legal and political erasure of women for the benefit a supposedly "more vulnerable" group.

This. We can see how scared people are to speak out now, imagine how frightening it will be when its illegal to do so.

These could be the last few months women exist in law.

Why are so many of you worrying and getting stressed about stuff that is so minor compared to NHS waiting lists, Lack of GPs, Lack Of Police, Global warming, Social Care Cuts, Poverty and Dangerous Living Conditions. You are wasting a vote that could potentially help change that. Because some minor issue that you will never be able to change because there are more people for a GRC reform then against. Your are wasting something that people died and went to prison to get! Disappointed in a lot women today! I thought we had more respect then this!

I've printed off the picture at the top of this thread to stick to my ballot. I'll add some wording as well about GRC reform. I'm going to vote after school and will take DD with me and explain what I am doing and why.

Anyone out there voting for a party, good luck to you, I hope you get what you want, and I am glad for you that you live in a constituency with a decent MP/prospective MP. I hope they repay your trust.

BTW, I don't report posts because somebody said something I don't agree with. Stifling debate is the remit of those who know they have no arguments.

Ooh, well, we mustn't be disappointing us silly women, eh.
RTFT.
Then read some bloody history. Do you actually know anything about the suffragettes? They didn't die so that, 100 years later, we would be handing the state of womanhood to men.

AppleTree76
Because we've kept up with current events and have seen it isn't a minor issue, and the majority don't support it once they understand the implications.
HTH.