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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jo Swinson taking calls on Radio 5 at 9am

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Madvixen · 09/12/2019 06:06

Jo Swinson will be on Radio 5's Your Call at 9am this morning taking listeners questions.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 09/12/2019 09:45

"I was a girl at school who disliked pe..."

"Objectivisation if girls bodies"

Would those be the self Id girls too?

zanahoria · 09/12/2019 09:46

I would love it if someone just asked her "do you regret falling for this twaddle?"

I am sure she does, when someone is that flustered it is normally a sign of doubt

GCAcademic · 09/12/2019 09:48

The Oozlum Bird of legendary repute, runs around in ever decreasing circles until it disappears up its own arsehole.

Long thought to be fictional or at the very least extinct, I think we have discovered the Oozlum Bird on 5Live this morning.

I'd never heard of the Oozlum bird, this is priceless! Weeping here (not sure whether with laughter or despair).

MockersFactCheckMN · 09/12/2019 09:50

[Theresa May ON] I am NOT making this up!

[Theresa May OFF]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oozlum_bird

Cuntysnark · 09/12/2019 09:50

My dad used to talk about the oozlam bird. Ahead of his time 45 years ago!

GCAcademic · 09/12/2019 09:52

I know, Mockers, I googled it! I plan on using this newfound knowledge at work - the analogy works as well for a lot of academics as it does for Jo Swinson!

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/12/2019 09:53

Brilliant question caller!! This segment is on twitter:

twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1203973870056660992?s=21

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/12/2019 09:54

Pe question:

twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1203975310758141953?s=21

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 09/12/2019 09:59

When she watched clips of herself babbling nonsensically about what a woman is does she think she's doing a solid job and representing her party and its manifesto well? I can never figure out if the people spouting this stuff have enough self awareness to understand how they look to other people.

Being aware of how you're perceived by others is a fairly key skill for a politician.

ThePurported · 09/12/2019 10:00

Did I mishear or did the presenter say something about 'medical tests'? There are no tests, it's all about feelings, surely everyone knows that by now?!

Jo, if you want to adopt daft labels for yourself, be my guest, but do not call me cis. Ok?

OldCrone · 09/12/2019 10:01

She manages to put together a coherent answer to all the other questions she's asked and on this one she stumbles and falters. She's had plenty of time to come up with answers, and she has a team of advisers who could have come up with answers for her. But she still has no answer to the simple question "what is a woman?"

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/12/2019 10:03

You can watch the clip on twitter at the links above purported (if you can cope!)

zanahoria · 09/12/2019 10:05

Looking at Jo's face, I am 100% convinced that she is not a true believer of this nonsense. She is foolish politician who has picked a position when in her political bubble and is getting ripped apart on it when leaving that space. Literally, every word she has uttered is riddled with self doubt.

Voters can smell bullshit.

GCAcademic · 09/12/2019 10:07

I think it's great that she's being so persistent in putting herself out there on this issue.

After Thursday, when the ruins of her election campaign can be properly surveyed, it will become dazzlingly apparent to all politicians what a career-terminating position this is to take.

WitchfinderGeneralHarrumph · 09/12/2019 10:08

If I had a £ for every "You know," she utters in that 7 min clip I'd be able to afford a bigger turkey.
Who is Anna? I feel she walks amongst us.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 09/12/2019 10:08

If she's not a true believer then that's even worse in a sense. Craven opportunism and poor judgement - we already have Boris Johnson, do we really need another one?

OldCrone · 09/12/2019 10:09

When she watched clips of herself babbling nonsensically about what a woman is does she think she's doing a solid job and representing her party and its manifesto well?

She really should watch herself and think about why she comes across as such an idiot on this topic. I'm sure it wouldn't take her long to realise it's because her position makes no sense. Maybe she's already realised this, but politicians don't generally like to admit they've got something wrong.

zanahoria · 09/12/2019 10:10

Anna is woman who speaks with clarity

Jo is not

XXcstatic · 09/12/2019 10:12

Did I mishear or did the presenter say something about 'medical tests'? There are no tests, it's all about feelings, surely everyone knows that by now?!

There is a medical assessment for a GRC. TRAs would like you to imagine invasive and humiliating tests. In fact, no physical examination is required and you don't even necessarily need a doctor to do it, just someone with appropriate expertise.

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/12/2019 10:12

Personally I don't feels she's got any in-depth insight into this. She's been briefed on a stock answer and she's not followed certain scenarios through nor heard from abused women who have a deep fear of any man.

zanahoria · 09/12/2019 10:14

It is craven opportunism, that is politics.

I do not even think she is good at craven opportunism, there is nagging conscience there, you can hear it in her voice, see it on her face. Right now she is probably wondering what she is doing.

Boris would have lied with no regrets and not given it a second thought.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 09/12/2019 10:16

I don't believe any woman who's had a baby can possibly believe that biological sex isn't a thing. Some may claim to, but I doubt any of them would come across any more convincingly than Swinson with a camera stuck in their face and someone grilling them.

zanahoria · 09/12/2019 10:17

or to put it simply Boris and Jo both bullshit but Boris believes his own bullshit, Jo does not.

LangCleg · 09/12/2019 10:21

Long thought to be fictional or at the very least extinct, I think we have discovered the Oozlum Bird on 5Live this morning.

Oh Mockers, you are a genius. First Fair Cop immortalised and now this. I'm weeping with laughter.

theunknownknown · 09/12/2019 10:23

I am incoherent with rage about this bullshit.
Swinson pretty much said that self-id was in practice now.
But sunlight is being shone. Rachel Burden gets it I think and a year ago this question would not have been allowed to get through the screening.
Well done Anna or Hannah - couldn't quite hear. We walk with you.

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