Webchat with John McDonnell Friday 6 December 12:00

[BernardBlacksWineIceLolly]

Just thought I'd give a heads up, doesn't look like it's being promoted yet

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3760829-Webchat-with-John-McDonnell-MP-Shadow-Chancellor-Friday-6-December-at-12-midday

No doubt we'll want to talk over his answers afterwards!

I for one will be interested to see how he squares that circle.

That's good, thank you Lang.

There is a lot riding on this webchat, indeed. No pressure, John!

My own Labour candidate didn't even respond to my email about whether women should be allowed to talk about this without threats.

I have been worried about the levels of what some have described as abuse within this discussion and I think it's now time for us all to come together to have a proper and considered discussion John McDonnell

How will this be achieved?

MNHQ are deleting posts left right and centre, regarding this shocker

"Hence we aim to reform the law to include self-identification but this does open up a whole debate around the single sex-based exemptions that will be maintained under the Equalities Act. This has to be dealt with sensitively and people's views need to be respected."

VOTE LOST.

Hence we aim to reform the law to include self-identification

That’s Labour’s position.

At least it’s unambiguously clear. It’s a total capitulation to the lobby group

Ok that’s it....Labour out now as well. Polling ballot if proxy will agree

That’s Labour’s position

We knew that....John Mcdonnell was never going to stray from the party line, even if he sees things differently himself.

I'm actually quite shocked. Stupid, I know. How on earth can they allow men to selfID their way into women's services? Impact assessments aren't going to protect anyone. This is nuts.

Jesus Christ. I forgot to watch this one, but Christ if he’s said that, there goes Labour...

I got deleted. I only said oh sorry nettle to someone who had an awful experience

It's a shit show. Again.

I've had my postal vote sat here for a good week already, hoping that someone would come out of the woodwork and at least recognise the problem with these cuddly, "be nice" approaches.

No reason not to tick the box and send it off now. And it's not for Labour or LibDems. They can get to fuck and I feel quite justified in saying they will have brought this result on themselves.

They can get to fuck and I feel quite justified in saying they will have brought this result on themselves

Looks like they have been completely colonized by the lobby group. I noticed no answer to your question about the implications of Labour’s spending policies. Didn’t expect an answer to my ? about tax, didn’t get one

John, women fought for sex based rights for a long time. We've only really had most of them for about the last 50 years. You seem to be suggesting on the basis that some males now want to make a land grab for those rights that women should lose most, if not all of them.

Ova just made this eloquent post. Isn’t John McDonnell on the dialectical materialism wing? The power analysis on this issue seems bizarrely skewed and regressive....

Not even wobbling now. Spoiled ballot.

That manifesto counts for SHIT. Ruth Serwotka! Come collect your massive fucking disappointment. We don't want him.

Am absolutely fuming.

Isn’t John McDonnell on the dialectical materialism wing?

Yes. I tried to shame him into some fucking socialism twice - mentioned Engels even - but was roundly sidestepped.

"After the revolution, love" seems to be the tack. He thinks he needs the Woke liberal LARPers (the revolution will be merchandised) more than he needs us. He can FTFOTTFSOF.

Ova just made this eloquent post. Isn’t John McDonnell on the dialectical materialism wing? The power analysis on this issue seems bizarrely skewed and regressive....

What I find sad is that I have good reason to think he doesn't really believe what he is saying and understands class/materialism/power analysis perfectly well.

But as ever women will be thrown under the bus in pursuit of other goals (whatever they may be).

I meant to say spoiling not polling! Was getting close to voting for them...feeling extremely angry

But as ever women will be thrown under the bus in pursuit of other goals (whatever they may be)

Ova, your post was very eloquent but if he actually doesn’t believe this BS and is pushing it anyway? What precisely are Labour’s motives? I have got to be honest I can’t stand them. But the influence of this secretive lobby is very disturbing.

I think as Lang pointed out it's all 'after the revolution stuff'.

Bovary: I noticed no answer to your question about the implications of Labour’s spending policies. Didn’t expect an answer to my ? about tax, didn’t get one

Bovary, I can't see my comment in the thread at all now? Did I get deleted without even my username header remaining or something?

Well that's that then. I feel incredibly sad.

Any more loud mouthed labour activists/ posters want to start guilt tripping me into voting Tory this time can fuck right off. Blame labour for throwing women under a bus and making themselves completely unelectable. It's not like they haven't been warned about this issue. Choose Bromentum over the safety of women, I'll choose Tories over you.

Sorry, very angry right now.

Yes. I tried to shame him into some fucking socialism twice - mentioned Engels even - but was roundly sidestepped

Lang, I saw that. I can understand why you’re very angry. I am still struggling to understand the power and influence of this lobby group. Most people don’t know it exists yet it has colonized 3 out of 4 main parties. It’s unbelievable