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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Posie Parker. For women and children. I adore her.

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Backinthecloset123 · 30/11/2019 06:31

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WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 30/11/2019 16:24

Putting on a show of outrage to show how evil your opponent is

My opponent?
Posie isn't my opponent ffs, I am entitled to a different opinion on her though.

nauticant · 30/11/2019 16:25

Ahh, obtuse too. Feel free to carry on then.

Datun · 30/11/2019 16:25

Well, If you're not going to read the link, Wills!

Exposition:

A "loaded question", like a loaded gun, is a dangerous thing. A loaded question is a question with a false or questionable presupposition, and it is "loaded" with that presumption. The question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" presupposes that you have beaten your wife prior to its asking, as well as that you have a wife. If you are unmarried, or have never beaten your wife, then the question is loaded.

Since this example is a yes/no question, there are only the following two direct answers:

"Yes, I have stopped beating my wife", which entails "I was beating my wife."
"No, I haven't stopped beating my wife", which entails "I am still beating my wife."
Thus, either direct answer entails that you have beaten your wife, which is, therefore, a presupposition of the question. So, a loaded question is one which you cannot answer directly without implying a falsehood or a statement that you deny. For this reason, the proper response to such a question is not to answer it directly, but to either refuse to answer or to reject the question.

Some systems of parliamentary debate provide for "dividing the question", that is, splitting a complex question up into two or more simple questions. Such a move can be used to split the example as follows:

"Have you ever beaten your wife?"
"If so, are you still doing so?"
In this way, 1 can be answered directly by "no", and then the conditional question 2 does not arise.

Just like your presumptive, loaded question that asks why Posie? why, does she want to line the pockets of a white supremacist, why? Why does she want to give his misogynistic beliefs credence, why?

Still, I'm always happy to educate. I'm all heart, me.

LangCleg · 30/11/2019 16:25

Instead of actually answering you say I'm a man and a wife beater because I asked a question?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, love. Even you can't get away with that spectacular deliberate misreading. Give it up.

LangCleg · 30/11/2019 16:26

You can't even keep track of your own argument strategy, wills.

Stahp! I'll need a new pack of Tena Ladies at this rate!

How many pages can Willis get out of it, I wonder?

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 30/11/2019 16:28

Ahh, obtuse too. Feel free to carry on then

Why obtuse? You said she was my opponent.
All I meant was no she's not my opponent, I can have a different opinion on her.
If you didn't mean Posie or that, what did you mean then?

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 30/11/2019 16:28

I love it whenever I see disagreeable women saying what they want and not giving a toss. whether I agree with what they are saying or not.

I'm the same. I adore Posie's forthright bravery.

Imagine if there were a lot more women like her in the UK. Two or three in every small town across the entire country. Standing firm and speaking out loudly in defence of women and children. Saying the things we've all been conditioned not to say.

Would we even be in the current situation (children sterilised, rapists assaulting women in women's prisons, male bodies women women's sports competitions etc) if women with Posie's forthrightness and courage were commonplace?

Imagine if there had been a few Posie types at every level of every political party when Stonewall and the other TRA groups started lobbying? Women who'd laugh at the ridiculousness of the suggested changes, and keep on pointing out that the Emperor is stark bollock naked, that sex is immutable, and that parental homophobia is not a reason to neuter children?

At the very least we'd all have a choice of where to vote in the upcoming election.

LangCleg · 30/11/2019 16:29

Oh! Not read last page. Bad Lang!

Also: bad Datun! We could have had another ten pages at least of Willis doing YOU CALLED ME A MAN AND AN ABUSER, but you went and explained and ruined it all.

You're the fun police!

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 30/11/2019 16:33

Oh, love. Even you can't get away with that spectacular deliberate misreading. Give it up

It literally, one comment, asked when I stopped beating my wife.
So not only did the comment insinuate I'm a man, (yes, aware it could mean that I am a woman with a wife before someone starts to twist) it accused me of beating my partner.
Go on then - if I've misread - what else can you get from that comment?
It could only have meant one thing.
I know what it said.
Gaslighting shite now.

nauticant · 30/11/2019 16:34

You said she was my opponent.

No, I didn't. That's what you said. I was referring to you having an argument with Datun. Since this was in the middle of you having an argument with Datun I was hoping you would see the bleedin' obvious and not go off on a tangent of obtuseness. My hope was misplaced.

LangCleg · 30/11/2019 16:34

Ah, even an explanation of the BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS RHETORICAL DEVICE is insufficient, I see.

I take it back, Datun. You haven't ruined any fun at all!

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 30/11/2019 16:37

Well, If you're not going to read the link, Wills!
Some systems of parliamentary debate provide for "dividing the question", that is, splitting a complex question up into two or more simple questions. Such a move can be used to split the example as follows"Have you ever beaten your wife?" "If so, are you still doing so?"

No - you posted the link AFTER the comment made to me, so don't try and make out you meant your link.

theflushedzebra · 30/11/2019 16:38

Wotcha you can't possibly be so lacking in reading comprehension that you think Datun called you a wife beater or a man Grin Grin Grin

LangCleg · 30/11/2019 16:40

Wotcha you can't possibly be so lacking in reading comprehension that you think Datun called you a wife beater or a man

But Willis manages to spend at least several pages on most threads insisting that a highly individual reading of someone's post meant they were calling them a man!

You'd think even Willis was bored with this by now, but apparently not.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 30/11/2019 16:42

"You can't possibly be that..."

"I can too!"

theflushedzebra · 30/11/2019 16:42
Grin
WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 30/11/2019 16:43

But Willis manages to spend at least several pages on most threads insisting that a highly individual reading of someone's post meant they were calling them a man!

Er..... no I don't actually.
Nice try though.

theflushedzebra · 30/11/2019 16:47

It reminds me of that Young Ones bit when Rik says to Neil "what did you just say?" -"what?" - "You just called me bastard didn't you!" Grin

For the record, that ^ is not me calling anyone a bastard.(just in case, like).

theflushedzebra · 30/11/2019 16:55
Datun · 30/11/2019 17:14

You'd think even Willis was bored with this by now, but apparently not.

No, no they'll never get bored of that. The same way they will never, ever address what Posey actually campaigns for.

Just travel down to the centre of the Earth to find the edge of a comment that they might be able to misconstrue, with one eye shut and only if it's a Wednesday.

FloralBunting · 30/11/2019 17:18
Shock

Blimey. Willis thinks that 'When did you stop beating your wife?' in the context of a thread full of accusations about the motives of Posie Parker is calling Willis a man who is abusing his wife.

No wonder there are so many reports about basic and uncontroversial statements on FWR if the people reporting are that culturally illiterate.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 30/11/2019 17:19

The same way they will never, ever address what Posey actually campaigns for

I do address it - I know she stands for women's rights (well, she'll stand for women's rights when it comes to trans issues, that is).

Just travel down to the centre of the Earth to find the edge of a comment that they might be able to misconstrue
Nope, it was aimed at me, and at my comment.
Again, nice try.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 30/11/2019 17:45

I'm suddenly feeling the urge to send gin to whichever mod is unfortunate enough to receive the "she called me a wife beater!" report.

Floisme · 30/11/2019 18:03

I'm suddenly feeling the urge to send gin to whichever mod is unfortunate enough to receive the "she called me a wife beater!" report.
It look Looks like they already have kittens as I can't see Datun's comment any more. I would hang on to the gin - or share it with us.

APerkyPumpkin · 30/11/2019 18:10

Oh gosh that was funny.

Willis this should help you...

yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question

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