Posie Parker. For women and children. I adore her.

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That's all.

I was about to pick out that same sentence. It's nonsense. People are able to access medical transition without a GRC just fine now, and would still be able to do so if the GRA was repealed. These are separate things, as proven by the many people who are on hormones etc who never bother applying for a GRC.

Once again someone who knows less than the least informed person here is trying to school us. That never goes well.

And, of course, no one needs a GRC to get surgery. Where did you get that idea?

I think they're trying to draw a parallel with illegal abortions?

It still shocks me that any man can change the sex on his passport.

The idea that a woman cannot be a radical feminist unless she supports Posie Parker is ridiculous and offensive

Who has said that? Stop projecting (and misdirecting). Why are you so intent on radical feminism being a badge for everyone when you don't even appear to even know what it is? Odd.

PP isn't helping the cause and WPUK know this.

What cause? WPUK is a socialist feminist organisation and its priority is socialism and effecting policy change within the Labour Party and trades union movement. It's not the oracle on opposition to genderism and nor should it be. Many radical feminists object to its centring of so-called GC transsexuals and it has had to somewhat row back from being obvious about that. This is normal in objecting to an extremist political movement such as genderism - you will get a wide range of groups and people objecting.

LangCleg I completely agree the current process for upholding the EA exemptions is flimsy which is why it needs to be formalised and strengthened.

Still not engaging with what I actually said. Labour is simultaneously proposing to strengthen the exemptions (but how, they don't tell us) and dilute them (via introducing self-ID). This is commonly called playing both sides against the middle and is not a tactic from a political party that women can trust. Why are you so keen for us to trust it?

The idea that a woman cannot be a radical feminist unless she supports Posie Parker is ridiculous and offensive

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. No one has said that, of course.

I'm saying you can't be a radical feminist and uphold the GRA. Women are oppressed on the basis of their biological sex. If you can't define it, you can't address it.

When I was at Radical Feminism school we were focused on overthrowing the patriarchy and breaking down patriarchal structures in society. We fought male privilege and every prop in society that supports it. We cared about women being exploited in the sex trade and wanted the men who pay for sex to be punished. We supported a woman's choice over her body. We wanted to stop women relying on men for anything, particularly income. I still see these these things as being at the core of radical feminism.

Some radical feminists who passionately believe in the above include trans women in their definition of women. Catherine McKinnon and Andrea Dworkin are two examples. Some don't - eg Julia Long.

While I wouldn't go that far, I do recognise that gender dysphoria exists and the way for these people to live comfortable lives is to present as the opposite gender. Hence the GRA.

The terms of the GRA are up for debate. The actual Act itself is not.

I'm struggling to understand the criticism of wanting to amend the terms of the GRA and the EA exemptions - something women have actual control over. Something we have actually been invited to consult on!

If that makes me not understand the meaning of radical feminism and my posts to be in bad faith then I find that very weird.

Yet Posie Parker (appeared on video with a MRA, openly admits she doesn't work as he husband earns the money) is a fine spokesperson for radical feminism? To me her actions undermine everything it is trying to achieve.

Weird weird weird.

Except the only person who has said this: Yet Posie Parker ...is a fine spokesperson for radical feminism? is you

When I was at Radical Feminism school

Dear goddess, this is laughable.

I prefer honest interactions with honest genderists, I really do.

Apologies LangCleg as per last night I forget that sarcasm doesn't always come across in posts.

To clarify, I didn't go to actual Radical Feminism school. We used to meet down the pub.

Posie Parker has stated she is not a feminist, let alone a radfem. Yet people keep bleating on that she is one.

WTF is going on?? David Thomas has only to say “I am a woman!” And we are locked into “she/her” or risk a call from the police.

A woman says “I’m not a feminist” and people completely ignore her and keep saying she is??

Posie Parker has stated she is not a feminist, let alone a radfem.

Exactly!!! And her actions clearly demonstrate that. So why on earth the OP thinks she is any help to women and children is beyond me.

so why on earth the OP thinks she is any help to women and children is beyond me

Sapphos, so the qualifying criteria for helping women and children is to self identify as a radical feminist? Gosh. How very exclusionary.....

why on earth the OP thinks she is any help to women and children is beyond me

ah, so only women who identify as feminists can help women and children? seems a little exclusive, no?

I do recognise that gender dysphoria exists and the way for these people to live comfortable lives is to present as the opposite gender. Hence the GRA

now where did you get this from? Did feminine males need a certificate to wear eyeliner and a skirt in the 80's and 90's? well why do they need one now?

SapphosRock
You are the weird, weird one with your insistence on defining Posie Parker.
Please just stop. You're like a broken record, bleating on and in and on.

Being a feminist shows a primary motivation to help women.

Without that primary motivation it just comes across as hate speech.

It's disturbing that feminists overlook this just because she is GC.

I'm curious as to how spending days banging on about how much you don't like Posie Parker demonstrated a primary motivation to help women, especially when the blatantly misogynistic "scary housewife" stuff is taken into consideration.

Surely the people she was interviewed by are the very people we need to be talking to? It's fine chatting amongst like-minded people but you're not persuading anyone then, are you? You can strategize with those people.

The people you need to talk to are the people who don't think like you do.

I think the point 2be is that she clearly isn’t a feminist in any sense of the word, maybe she once was but has her destination in her mind and nothing else really matters anymore.

To some women that is fine, and you’re entitled to your view and opinions. Maybe you don’t think you deserve better, female socialisation has a lot to answer for.

For me at least, I think we can fight for women’s rights without sidelining some women or contributing to people who seek to oppress us further. I think we can do better and it upsets me that that some must aim so low, that someone who works with white supremacists amongst other things is still considered a hero because you share opinions on one cause.

I’m waiting for a real shero, that’s obviously much braver than me to blow this thing open.

Actually, this radical feminist thinks that transwomen are a subset of men & that the GRA is absolutely a patriarchal prop (and sop). In fact it's the very essence of patriarchy - that men are the ones who get to define women.

(The SAHM debate is way more nuanced than simply living off a man's earnings and therefore a big fat no-no - I can't believe that's in any way being used to criticise.)

Posie shifts the Overton window and I say more power to her elbow.

the way for these people to live comfortable lives is to present as the opposite gender. Hence the GRA

No. The GRA arose because an XY person wanted the pension age of an XX person due to medical procedures they had undertaken, took the UK government to ECHR and won.

Pension age is now equal.

This radical feminist thinks that any radical feminism school (even if it involved beer) that produces graduates who think calling other women scary 50s housewives furthers the cause of women's rights is not doing a very good job of teaching the most basic principles. Andrea would not approve.

It's fine to hold the opinion it should be repealed but there is no way it's actually going to happen so making angry videos about it is a pointless waste of energy imo.

Or we could 'aim for the stars...' and all that jazz?
Why shouldn't we lobby for a bad law to be repealed?
Why shouldn't we start there? Seems a perfectly good, logical place to set a line in the sand.