Only consenting to receiving medical treatment from a female is not acceptable

[Siameasy]

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One NHS trust says it’s unacceptable for women to say they only consent to medical treatment from “natal females”. I find this completely outrageous and couldn’t find a thread on it already. Bloody hell!

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You really shouldn't have to spell it out.

I think they do understand. They know the reasons and they don’t want to hear it.
Posters want to shame us by comparing it to racism
We are not meant to be talking about this

What the heck has gender or race got to do with it ?

Explain you gender and race comment auch?

Thank you @Siameasy, that's kind. I'm ok now, but very aware of the reality for those women who aren't.

Again, repeating: there is no suggestion of removing the right to ask for a same sex hcp. There is no suggestion that women asking for a same sex hcp will be told no, you get whoever is on duty, male or female.

Women are being told your same sex hcp may be same sex or may be the opposite sex but has chosen to identify as a woman. Many women will not perceive transwomen as female. The fact is, however much people wish it away, that transwomen are biologically male.

We're talking about planned procedures not emergencies. And we're talking about informed consent.

Some of the posts on this thread are just diabolical. Excuses wtf? That's a monstrous thing to say to women who have survived the most unspeakable abuse at the hands of men. Or women who are simply exercising their RIGHT to bodily autonomy.

I decide who touches my body...no one else. And certainly not revolting people who show no respect to women.

also cynara.

This should need spelling out!

Wtf is the race and gender comment?!

Gender - what does that mean?!

Yeah still.

If it was an ermegecy fine

Planned procersdures. Totally different

It seems a trauma response is discriminatory, according to that guidance. I'm fuming. On behalf of every woman who gets pressured into this SHIT, who has their autonomy dismissed, who has their instinctive responses gaslit like this.

'20% of women and 4% of men have experienced some type of sexual assault'. I would say that is probably a fairly conservative estimate.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/sexualoffencesinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2017

• I also appreciate that this is not the only issue, there doesn't need to be trauma present for a woman to just prefer to have a female HCP.

It's just the callousness of this particular issue - the double violation and disregard and dismissal of what is a pretty straightforward and reasonable response. It really gets to me.

*shouldn't need spelling out. Ffs

I don’t believe anyone should be saying they want to be treated by a ‘natal’ female — but if you do have issues with past sexual abuse etc you can certainly ask for them to be considered by having a third or even fourth person in the room

A third person doesn’t help for a lot of women. I think this displays an ignorance as to why some women don’t want treatment by a male.

It isn’t so much thinking the male person necessarily will assault them, as that being intimately touched by a male triggers traumatic memories.

Yes I get what you’re saying Michelle they’re saying it’s unacceptable to ask for a natal/biological female.
But we are quite astute on here - if my mum asked for same sex for a mammogram she would expect an XX to rock up.
Weasel words

The question about what happens to women of minority faiths, disability, trauma etc has been repeatedly asked on this thread.

No one arguing for women to have no right to same sex hcps has yet had the guts to answer that.

Are you going to deny those women healthcare if they won't prioritise the gender identity of a male in getting their pants and bra off to be intimately touched?

Are you happy with women dying at higher rates because they won't accept health care on those grounds?

Are you happy with medical care for some women being made more distressing and difficult and traumatising than it has to be?

Own it. If you believe this, own it.

Whoever says women can’t access a hcp aligned to their biological sex is talking out of their arse.
Patients and the public: your rights and the NHS pledges to you.

‘You have the right to receive care and treatment that is appropriate to you, meets your needs and reflects your preferences’

Taken from: www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-nhs-constitution-for-england/the-nhs-constitution-for-england#patients-and-the-public-your-rights-and-the-nhs-pledges-to-you

Stonewall brainwashing ( resulting in otherwise intelligent people acting stoned) doesn’t usurp patient rights under the NHS Constitution, even if they sex is missing from the first principle describing who the NHS is available to:

‘It is available to all irrespective of gender, race, disability, age, sexual orientation, religion, belief, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity or marital or civil partnership status’

Reads as though the NHS is available to all except those traumatised due to the immutable fact of their biological sex. This is clearly untrue as there are countless committed healthcare professionals working to support this group within the NHS.

Hope it’s not another woman selling her biological sex down the river again!

Coming on to a thread where women feel forced to disclose their experiences of sexual violence and express their fears for medical treatment in the future AND IMPLYING THEY ARE BIGOTS OR LIKE RACISTS.

Why why why is it so important for some people to attempt destroy women's boundaries?

I won't be fucking shamed by you misogynists.

Absolutely no fucking way. I have the right to refuse treatment from anyone: Male, female, Martian. I have the right to say why too. It’s not about their validation or their hurt feelings. No doctor has the right to treat me without my consent.

I have always thought the NHS would provide female doctors or nurses for female patients in particularly sensitive or intimate health care situations. This is the reasonable expectation of many female patients that they can request a female care provider if they feel they need that. If the NHS have rowed back from that it’s a very serious policy change and one that they should have consulted on before alienating women from our own publicly-funded health care services which we pay for out of our taxes and which we have as much right to feel comfortable in as any other NHS patient does.

. My body my choice who touches me

If I ask for a women doctor then that’s what I aske£ for

Why would someone disrespect my wishes.

Hear hear Still!

being intimately touched by a male triggers traumatic memories.

Being in a confined space with a male might be enough. Especially when in a vulnerable position (as in the power imbalance between HCP and patient). Let alone intimate healthcare.

Yeah and we shouldn’t have to say why

Was about to say exactly that scrim

We don’t have to justify it to anyone. No one ever has to justify it

Also with cervical cancer smear testing uptake rates at a massive low, is this really the message the NHS wants to give women? That we’re the problem, if we don’t want a man doing our smears? Fuck that. It’s not OK for the NHS to just cut women off from services like that.