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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Only consenting to receiving medical treatment from a female is not acceptable

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Siameasy · 23/11/2019 18:28

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One NHS trust says it’s unacceptable for women to say they only consent to medical treatment from “natal females”. I find this completely outrageous and couldn’t find a thread on it already. Bloody hell!

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Elladisenchanted · 23/11/2019 20:37

Saraclara - yes if a male patient wants only a male hcp for whatever reason then that should be accommodated as far as reasonably possible just like for a woman.

NeurotrashWarrior · 23/11/2019 20:37

No, the women on this thread shouldn't have had to describe their traumatic experiences to be heard.

FloralBunting · 23/11/2019 20:37

My god.

There are times when I am of a mind to assist posters who have trouble with certain concepts they appear to struggle with.

But the deeply callous responses of those on the thread who think that women have no right to say no, and it's 'submit, or go without treatment' are beneath contempt, let alone deserving any of my time to explain. You are foul, terrible people, and I don't know how you get by in life. Sickening.

Siameasy · 23/11/2019 20:38

We shouldn’t have to explain our traumas -those that have had them. People get off on reading about it I’m convinced.

Everyone knows why; they are pretending not to know. To hurt us and shut us up

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ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 23/11/2019 20:38

No excuses

O-kay then.

littlbrowndog · 23/11/2019 20:39

Yeah this thread has been unbelievable

FFS

AuchAyeTheNo · 23/11/2019 20:39

There was a news story on the bbc a few weeks ago where someone refused a consultants treatment because of his race. That’s not acceptable.

The NHS is honestly at breaking point. Unless you work on the front line you have really no idea how bad it is. Staffing levels are the worst they have ever been. Yes you have the right to request a specific gender but would you really refuse the help of a medical professional because they are not the gender you requested?

FloralBunting · 23/11/2019 20:41

Women have the right to say no. If you disagree, you have stated clearly what you are. I hope everyone around you is aware of it.

littlbrowndog · 23/11/2019 20:41

What’s the gender stuff. Asked you earlier auch

You never answered ?

NewarkShark · 23/11/2019 20:41

I apologise if I implied that anything short of intimate touching might not be triggering - not my intention at all. My point was a chaperone doesn’t solve the problem at all.

FadingStar · 23/11/2019 20:43

What has race got to do with anything?

forkfun · 23/11/2019 20:44

@AuchAyeTheNo yes, I would. Now fuck off. Or actually read what we have written on this thread.

Michelleoftheresistance · 23/11/2019 20:44

Auch how many times on this thread has someone made the point that it is NOT general care being talked about but intimate care where it is normal that a patient can ask for a same sex hcp.

And that it is NOT about women having to accept which ever hcp is free, male or female?

No one is suggesting that the right to a same sex hcp should be removed, the NHS continues to believe in that. They are suggesting that a transwoman is a same sex hcp. Many women will not perceive them as same sex.

The NHS on its knees bit is a straw man.

Hadalifeonce · 23/11/2019 20:44

Before having children, I always felt uncomfortable having a male GP examine me, now I have no problem. A little while ago DP needed to go to the GP, when he booked the appointment, he said he would prefer a male GP, there was no problem with this; nor should there be.
If anyone is not comfortable talking to/ being examined by a member of the opposite sex, they should be accommodated.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 23/11/2019 20:45

we shouldn’t have to say why

Yes.

FlamingoAndJohn · 23/11/2019 20:47

I can't believe people are trying to force women to let men touch them intimately. What the actual FUCK!

I agree. If that doesn’t bother you, it doesn’t bother me, then carry on. But I completely understand why a number of women might find this very distressing.
Yes religion comes into it too but mainly it is personal choice. And I also defend the right of men to request male HCPs too.

Siameasy · 23/11/2019 20:48

Diversion tactics
Talk about race
Pretend not to understand
Use the word gender which we know can mean anything
Hmmmm
Much as I liked Marc Bolan and that he often appeared to be of the feminine gender and liked wearing ladies’ shoes (factGrin) I don’t want him to do my smear thank you very much.

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DeeZastris · 23/11/2019 20:48

I’d also like AuchAye to explain why women should have no choice who can examine them.

JenniferM1989 · 23/11/2019 20:49

I read up on why men choose gynaecology as a path in their medical career and the overall consensus was that women are easier patients as they give more detail and tend to be less in denial about their health, more female cancers can be treated than male cancers meaning the doctor feels he can help females more than men, dealing with birth is a much happier career than dealing with death and they just generally feel more comfortable around females as they tend to be more open and friendly compared to men. Of the male gynaecologists they spoke to in this article, all of them said they wouldn't bat an eyelid about a woman opting to have a female doctor see to them instead though as they 'get it' and because around 85% of gynecologists are female, this never really causes an issue, they would rather the patient was comfortable as all things down below are easier to be dealt with when the patient is relaxed.

So basically, this isn't a male privilege thing. Men don't care, they really don't. There's probably no male doctors charging about demanding that they treat female patients intimately otherwise it's sexism. When it comes to sexism being thrown about, I tend to think these views came from a female. Call me insane but I do a lot of reading and research and I'm finding more and more that it's actually females coming out with these things and making decisions on these changes. Usually a female that has never experienced an uncomfortable moment with a male and thinks that women should stop being divas and adopt her attitude in order to make things flow better.

We're seeing more and more female solicitors defending sex offenders and defending perpetrators of violence against women. You just need to look on here sometimes to see the amount of women defending their partners against the 'crazy ex' but her partner pays £7 a week CM and things like that!

So with that, I tend to think there's a female hand in this. I think this is far more likely than there being hoards of trans doctors or male doctors spitting their dummies out because they'll get to see less vaginas!

The logic is a womans logic with a load of men saying yeah well if you feel it would be fine, all woman will be the same because men are clueless about women really and think if one thinks something, they all will! This female logic is a female wanting to show men that she is not threatened by males and neither should any other woman be. So my theory is that females are playing a big part in all of this. It was only the other day that I read an article from a woman saying trans women in female prisons and sports wasn't an issue because 'we haven't heard of any incidents really' and why should woman keep being portrayed as the weaker sex... see that woman thinks she's a feminist, she thinks competing on the same level and being equal to men is the only thing women need but you come on here and see the real feminists that couldn't really give a shit about admitting men are generally physically stronger and what they really want is women to be respected in the workplace, home and society much more than they are now. They know the biological facts and don't argue with them, they just want attitudes to change really

FloralBunting · 23/11/2019 20:49

I can't believe people are trying to force women to let men touch them intimately

I can. Sadly.

Nat6999 · 23/11/2019 20:49

At my doctor's surgery, there are 8 main doctors but there are only 2 female GP's. The demographic of patients is 53% female & a high number of them are Muslim, wouldn't it make sense for the ratio of male:female doctors to be the same as the patient quota? I have often tried to make an appointment & being a rape survivor I prefer a female doctor, I always get told you get who you get & you don't get a choice, how can this be right?

littlbrowndog · 23/11/2019 20:52

Am still waiting for auch to tell me about the gender thing 🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🤷‍♀️

littlbrowndog · 23/11/2019 20:54

Jeez nat that’s shite

My practice never even questions it

BarbaraStrozzi · 23/11/2019 20:57

But the deeply callous responses of those on the thread who think that women have no right to say no, and it's 'submit, or go without treatment' are beneath contempt, let alone deserving any of my time to explain. You are foul, terrible people, and I don't know how you get by in life. Sickening.

Sums up my feelings on reading this too, Floral.

Had HCPs of both sexes during a recent stay in hospital for a general condition - no problem. Don't care who takes my blood or does the canula. But smear tests and mammograms and catheters - I want a woman.

And it is fucking offensive to compare it to racism - do these numpties not understand that men are the ones in the more powerful position in our society? To try this gaslighting, upside down shit is beyond offensive. Just fuck off. Fuck right off.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 23/11/2019 20:58

AuchAyeTheNo women aren't talking about asking for a HCP of a particular gender. It's about the preference many have for one of the same sex. Your repeated use of "gender" is tone deaf.