Marks and Spencer have fallen, part III; we’re gonna need a bigger boat

[MrsSnippyPants]

Fresh thread in case part 2 fills up overnight.
I am yet to receive a reply to my third email, have been furiously tweeting, and as am now pursuing the options available to me as a shareholder.
Still crossing fingers for John Lewis!

I have never heard of M&S sales assistants called "M&S girls" given that most of them are middle aged women.

Unique's website say they specifically support Trans* people including cross-dressers:

"Trans* people, from just-left-the-closet cross-dressers to transsexuals following Gender Reassignment Surgery (including all those who do not identify with the gender binary), often need reassurance and support from others with similar experiences."

www.uniquetg.org.uk/

Here's a page where Unique promote their diversity training and consultation, with a photo of a huge Powerpoint slide which states that cross-dressing and transvestites under M-F trans sexuality.

www.uniquetg.org.uk/outreach2.html

Did M&S check these people out before they did a mass bra fitting and fashion show for them and then boasted about it on their website as a reason to work at M&S?

Sorry for the multiple posts, but here's a list of the organisations who Unique have provided diversity training for:

Active Leisure, Trafford
Age Concern, Liverpool
Agenda Conferences, Liverpool
Aintree Hospital
AVOW, Wrexham
Betys Cadwalader University Health Board (North Wales)
British Transport Police, Birmingham
Cardiff Airport
Celebrate don't discriminate Festival Winsford (Cheshire Police/Vale Royal Council)
Cheshire Domestic Abuse Partnership
Cheshire Police & Cheshire Police Commissioner (Winsford, Crewe & Macclesfield)
Chester University
Chester & Cheshire West Council, Chester
Countess of Chester General Hospital
Crewe & Nantwich Council (Now part of Cheshire East Council), Crewe
Crewe & Nantwich Leisure Services, Nantwich
Edge Hill University
Encompass LGBT, Connahs Quay, North Wales
Flintshire Council, Mold
Glyndwyr University (Wrexham)
Homotopia LGBT Arts project, Liverpool
In-Trust Transgender group, North Liverpool
John Moores University, Liverpool
Lesbian & Gay Christian Movement London
LGBT National Health Conference (Cardiff)
Liverpool University
North West Ambulance Service, Liverpool
North Wales Police (Wrexham, Rhyl, Llandudno, Colwyn Bay, and Conwy)

North Wales Police Authority, St Asaph
North Wales Probation Service (NOMS), Colwyn Bay
North Wales Regional Equality Network, Paenmanmawr
Older People’s Commissioner for Wales
Pembrokshire Council Wales Havorfordwest
Real eQuality Training, Chester & Llandudno
Rhyl College
Richmond Fellowship Winsford & Liverpool
Salford Leisure Centre
Salix Homes, Manchester
Sparkle Transgender Festival
Spectrum – The Home office LGBT organisation, Liverpool
Stonham Charity, Liverpool
Swansea Psychiatrists Professional Circle.
Tai Pawb Housing, Cardiff
Vale Royal Council (Now Chester & Cheshire West Council), Northwich & Winsford
Victim Support, North & Mid Wales
Viva LGBT Young people’s group, Rhyl
Welsh Government, Dept. of Health & Social Services Cardiff
Welsh Health – NILAH ( Dept. of Equality and Human Rights), Llanharren
Welsh Public Health –Screening Services, Cardiff and Pontypool
West Wales CAMHS Mental Health Service, Carmarthen
Wrexham Council LGBT Day and Transphobic Bullying Conference, Wrexham
Yale College, Wrexham

I wonder if these organisations would like some training by radical feminists on male transvestism and cross-dressing and how they affect women. Only £500 a session.

We discreetly went around the group explaining that we were there to help, that M&S is a friendly place which welcomes customers whoever they are, and that they shouldn’t be frightened to come into our stores. I guessed correctly that there was a stigma coming into a store like M&S, so I suppose it was a mission of reassurance.

Will they now be going around women’s groups to reassure women who are also to frightened to use their changing rooms that they are safe? Of course not. No photo opportunity there just bunch of silly women. Meanwhile over in the stunning and brave category.

I bet the wives of the Unique network's members are M&S shoppers. It would be interesting to hear about how they feel about this piece of corporate reachout.

Bloody hell, so they will travel 00’s of miles, on multiple visits, promote the mission on their website, change their entire store policy and dismiss written letters of concern from hundreds of their core customer base, purely on the basis of a handful of individuals?

That’s an awfully big gesture of support to a particularly small group of people.

Oh some A-M-A-Z-I-N-G work over on the Percy Pig thread, ladies. Awesome.

Pigs in wankets deserves a special prize

The thread has a creepy undertone from the beginning - well spotted.

I wonder... if after feeling you have been born in the wrong body and going through multiple surgeries to be in the correct body, how you would feel about a bloke being in the same changing room you occupy. Would you feel safe or no?

If they aren’t going to take the feelings of women into consideration, then how can they be going out on a limb to reassure those who have transitioned?

It is puzzling me.

Do they not understand that cross dressing is a sexual fetish that relies on the subordination of women?

Do they think it's just fucking fun and games?

Absolute, solid gold idiots.

The won't get away with the Percy Pig type threads now

We don't want pulled pork in the women's changing rooms in the lingerie dept....

Do they not understand that cross dressing is a sexual fetish that relies on the subordination of women?
That's exactly what many people are not getting, I think. Only those who have had direct exposure to a misogynist man with such a fetish will understand. Others might just think it's all harmless men exploring their feminine side and their true self and so on. Or they do get it and want to hide the real mentality of those men.

Thanks all for the extra help on the Pervy Pigs thread ladies! I'm glad I spotted it, it has provided me with some excellent entertainment tonight. Honourary mentions to pigs in wankets, pulled pork in the changing rooms, and, of course, SirVix's illustrated smug Pervy.

Well hopefully few more people have decided to check out the links and see how wrong they are (spoiler- they are in for a shock)

Indeed. Nothing like a bit of consciousness raising, especially if it was a mark's suspenders or bot running the thread.

PR, must stop typing quickly on a smartphone.

😁

Hmmm Percy AGPig is not going down well.

Don’t know how I’m going get through Xmas dinner without laughing now what with all pigs in wanklets.

Absolute, solid gold idiots
Yep. This is much much worse than I thought

Deletions are occurring.
A head count needed tomorrow.

No wonder M&S are staying put, they've invested way too far in this.

How do we do a head count though?

If I go, I'd just like to say I've tried very, very hard to stay within the Mumsnet rules. But we have to be able to talk about what is actually happening in the real world, and to talk about what that means for women.

The people at Unique say themselves that they are cross-dressers and transvestites.

Some of them are cross-dressers and transvestites to be accurate.

I'm not sure what earned the deletion on the pig thread. Was it because it had transwomen in quotation marks?

The first deletion on the thread is one I reported as spam, it was a "I'm so kooky and crazy and I am just so addicted to pigs" post.