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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Marks and Spencer have fallen, part III; we’re gonna need a bigger boat

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MrsSnippyPants · 12/11/2019 00:47

Fresh thread in case part 2 fills up overnight.
I am yet to receive a reply to my third email, have been furiously tweeting, and as am now pursuing the options available to me as a shareholder.
Still crossing fingers for John Lewis!

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YourOpinionIsNoted · 14/11/2019 21:15

Allowe to don my tin foil hat for a moment, but I think I've just killed s thread full of Mark's Suspenders PR bots.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3743782-to-be-addicted-to-percy-pigs

New posts every few minutes for about an hour all about the joys of Percy Pigs, helpfully mentioned new flavours, vegetarian ones, etc, and then radio silence once I posted about men in the changing rooms and penis-gusset interface. Hmm... Hmm

theflushedzebra · 14/11/2019 21:16

That's really good littlecabbage and I think I remember, you're a bit of a Star with this stuff - because you did loads of work on the DBS checks re. birth certificates and the GRC? That was god work even if they dd ignore you

I think every person in the country needs to know what autogynephilia is, and that it is going on on M&S & Next's website - and in calls in to the Samaritans - and gawd knows where else. And people should all listen to some of Ray Blanchard's talks before declaring mixed sex changing rooms, toilets and anything else. Because it's eye-popping stuff.

Akire · 14/11/2019 21:25

That thread Grin well least we are being noticed.

littlecabbage · 14/11/2019 21:27

Thanks YourOpinion and well done on the other thread. I had considered posting there also but have recently been told off for derailing another M&S love one!

Thanks zebra - I did try and do some work on the DBS thing, and have got so far with it, but need to do more work and struggling to find time at the mo. It requires me having a good few hours to wade through a load of paperwork, which I rarely get time for at the moment. But firing off an email here and there I can do. And avoiding shopping at M&S and Next of course Grin

I remember when I first started reading the feminist boards (about 18 months ago) and some regular posters were saying how tired they were of fighting this nonsense. I get it now - it is exhausting but I am determined to keep chipping away. The alternative (letting it take over) is far worse.

theflushedzebra · 14/11/2019 21:27

And Percy Pigs are not even that nice. They're just quite cute looking.

PocketDictionary · 14/11/2019 21:32

YourOpinion that is so funny. Someone must know some Percy puns.

theflushedzebra · 14/11/2019 21:33

It is genuinely exhausting, littlecabbage - I can't remember women's and children's rights being under such a sustained attack in my lifetime.

theflushedzebra · 14/11/2019 21:35

Mmm. The Percy Pig poster is either a NCer or very new. Only posted on 15 threads, starting a few days ago and says UANBU instead of the ubiquitous YANBU.

YourOpinionIsNoted · 14/11/2019 21:35

It is exhausting. And depressing and demoralising. I had to have a break from it all a while ago and came off twitter forever, but am trying to do a bit every now and then.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 14/11/2019 21:35

I get it now - it is exhausting but I am determined to keep chipping away. The alternative (letting it take over) is far worse.

I'm so thankful you and everyone else is / has been fighting this.

theflushedzebra · 14/11/2019 21:35

I'm not suspicious at all.

NumbersStation · 14/11/2019 21:36

This Percy piggy went to markies
This Percy piggy stayed at home
This Percy piggy wore women’s pants
This Percy piggy wore none
The last Percy piggy went wheeee wheeee wheeee in a cubicle next to you until he was empty.

Cute no?

YourOpinionIsNoted · 14/11/2019 21:41

Oh numbers, please please please put that on the Percy Pigs thread! I'm having fun over their buy I can't hold the fort alone! Grin

Akire · 14/11/2019 21:42

numbers at this rate you will have written a Feminist book of Rhyme before to long Grin

NumbersStation · 14/11/2019 21:44

Done. For I am a crabby old bastard who has sullied the Percys for all.

You are welcome Grin

PocketDictionary · 14/11/2019 21:45

Numbers Grin. Knew there were creative minds on here.

TheChampagneGalop · 14/11/2019 21:47

God it's pathetic if they would rather start Percy Pigs threads than address the changing room policy criticism properly.

SirVixofVixHall · 14/11/2019 21:47

TheChampagneGallop
I don’t know, I will ask when we next speak. She said he just went in, and she was surprised, as it was in the women’s section.

For another gluten free hamper filler idea, I bought these from Amazon and they were v nice,

Marks and Spencer have fallen, part III; we’re gonna need a bigger boat
SirVixofVixHall · 14/11/2019 21:48

Here

Marks and Spencer have fallen, part III; we’re gonna need a bigger boat
ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 14/11/2019 21:57

Percy Pigs have actual pig in them Envy not envy.

WrathofSlxFootSlxEIf · 14/11/2019 22:05

This feels like Ratners on speed.

NumbersStation · 14/11/2019 22:05

As mentioned on the other thread

The lady pants in markies probably have some kind of pig gelatine in them....

NumbersStation · 14/11/2019 22:06
Envy

Not envy either

littlecabbage · 14/11/2019 22:07

Haha Numbers - that is brilliant!

Dreichdrizzle · 14/11/2019 22:10

I found a couple of things on the M&S corporate website. Firstly a photo illustrating M&S diversity. A white man in a suit, Steven Rowe., surrounded almost completely by women and a few men from ethnic minorities, wearing the M&S uniform and name labels (Steve doesn't have to wear a badge) which shows that they are earning a lot closer to the minimum wage, rather than to Steve Rowe's stratospheric salary. How they think that a photo of a white man at the top and women and men from ethnic minorities at the very bottom illustrates diversity is beyond me:

careers.marksandspencer.com/why-work-here

Then this little cracker, where the M&S lingerie department drove a hundred miles to do bra fittings for a group of MTF trans.

How one colleague has helped make M&S more inclusive

careers.marksandspencer.com/inside-mands/how-one-colleague-has-helped-make-m%26s-more-inclusive

"Kelly is part of the M&S team in Prestatyn, North Wales. Last year, she heard about ‘Unique’. This is a voluntary group that supports transgender people in North Wales and West Cheshire, from those who have changed their gender presentation to individuals who have had gender affirming surgery. Kelly learned that Unique’s aim is to help transgender people accept themselves and find acceptance from others – and was driven to be an ally to the group.

Along with an M&S bra fitter, Kelly went to one of Unique’s monthly meetings, not really knowing how their presence would be received. Here’s how it went:

“We discreetly went around the group explaining that we were there to help, that M&S is a friendly place which welcomes customers whoever they are, and that they shouldn’t be frightened to come into our stores. I guessed correctly that there was a stigma coming into a store like M&S, so I suppose it was a mission of reassurance.”

To Kelly’s delight, the evening was a huge success, so she arranged another visit. “This time, some of the group modelled for me. They loved it and I was made to feel so welcome. After the meeting, many came for a bra fitting and one of the group specially brought their partner along for a new bra. I had to reserve quite a lot of our products – not that I went there with the intention of boosting M&S sales!”

That wasn’t the end of it. Kelly has built firm friendships with members of the group, two in particular. “One worked in our Prestatyn store over Christmas, and when I was told “to be an M&S girl is a dream come true”, it really brought a lump to my throat,” Kelly says."

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