It’s official; Marks and Spencer have fallen, the sequel.......

[MrsSnippyPants]

First thread getting full and and I continue to be interested in responses received to people’s emails and store visits.

Just seen marks xmas ad on TV. Even if wasn’t boycotting them oh my... it’s like someone dragging nails down chalkboard. Obviously I’m in no way hip but it’s muted from now on.

I'll certainly run straight to JL to fill the M&S hole if confirmed, but I'm getting the vibe that nothing's official or been properly shared, but you tell anyone who kicks off whatever they want to hear and hope they go away and don't cause trouble. And hope to goodness that the inevitable safeguarding disasters don't happen when you're on shift.

I bought some very nice Christmas things this morning at Laura Ashley (with a 30% discount) which I would normally have bought from Marks. The upside to avoiding M&S is finding out that there are plenty of other retailers out there.

Having seen M&S's advert, it's clear they are targeting a much younger demographic than their usual shopper. That also explains why they have scrapped single sex facilities because the TWAW cult is a cult of the youth.

I found the advert really cringeworthy, will absolutely be avoiding the shop entirely now.

Sigh...I have almost £200 worth of Christmas presents for my daughters sitting in an online basket for M&S, and that was just the start. Ah well. The best present I can give my girls is to fight for their rights as human beings. So off to John Lewis I go.

Sigh...I have almost £200 worth of Christmas presents for my daughters sitting in an online basket for M&S, and that was just the start.

Indeed. My mum text me earlier to say she had a 20% off voucher for M&S if I wanted for my Christmas shopping. I’d rather pay full price somewhere that values women’s safety so I graciously declined.

The best present I can give my girls is to fight for their rights

Mine too, absolutely! I’m pinching that line. My children’s Christmas present this year is to fight for their sex based rights and protections. And if M&S aren’t selling that to me, I’ll go elsewhere.

Same.

I would be wary about JL until they confirm that they really mean all males will be banned from the women's changing rooms; if those wearing lippie and a wig are still going to be allowed in because they are in fact now classified by JL as women (which is what M&S is doing), that's still not acceptable. We need to pin them down on their definition of 'men' and 'women'.

Any statement needs to be unambiguous otherwise it will be impossible to police, and that's not fair on the shop floor staff.

JL do sound like they are using own on the ground staff to decide. So any whiff of any suspect intentions they are not obliged just to say a blanket yes. Of course asking staff to make decisions is also a mine filed for being Phobic so I say it again a third space is needed.

Men have had hundreds of years in “modern society” to show they can be trusted, sadly we still need protection for good reasons.

I also feel distrustful enough to think that shops might not nail their colours to the mast until after Christmas and the sales, so as not to lose all the shoppers at this crucial point.

I also feel distrustful enough to think that shops might not nail their colours to the mast until after Christmas and the sales, so as not to lose all the shoppers at this crucial point.

We need to keep asking them, via email, Twitter and Facebook until they answer us.

There is a huge number of male reviews for M&S knickers, often more than those left by female reviewers. Marks & Spencer cannot be unaware of the thrill found by men in wearing female underwear and then proclaiming their enjoyment online. This is just one of the many examples...

www.marksandspencer.com/lace-tanga-brazilian-knickers-with-silk-sides/p/clp60267527

Of course they know - when you add a review it has to be ‘passed’ before they put it on their site. So they must think it’s ok.

HALF of those reviews are from males.

Omg I’m horrified. 😩

😮😮😮😮😮😮 I have never before looked at the sex of the person leaving a knicker review.
I wanted a vintagey swimsuit and looked at this one on Amazon. Only one reviewer had thoughtfully left pictures too..

Two reviews from lingerie customers who class themselves as male:

“Very comfortable and a touch revealing too. Great fit even though not exactly designed for what I have to fit in it but holds everthing well and in comfort in shorts or jeans”

And another

“Rosie has done it again! This pair of knickers is comfortable, yet sexy! The front covers everything and keeps me in place, there is good stretch in the sides and the lace back is very pretty and accentuates my curves.”

Seems there are LOTS of male M&S customers who really, really like talking about these particular garments in detail.

The first time I noticed a male review I naively thought it was a mistake but you only have to see the sheer number of them to know it isn't. I have no interest in knowing how knickers fit a male frame and found it very irritating but since I'm no longer buying from M&S, at least I'm spared that.

Can I just EMPHASISE to the moderators that the men leaving these reviews are identifying as male on the M&S website.

They are NOT transwomen - they are men, males.

I believe on MN feminism board, we are allowed to discuss the behaviour of actual men?

Told feminist friend and her response was “but you’re not in one room altogether, you have cubicles”. Fuck sake. My mum has also told me to stop ramming it down her throat. This is after a very brief conversation. Some women just don’t get it.

Yes these are Male customers who have registered and commented as such.

Getting nice and comfortable in a changing room near you.

Good God what is wrong with men?????

Well done guys- you're doing a fab job!

Last year I also bought and gave their large Scottish shortbread tins as Christmas gifts to two people.

Closer to december I'm ordering from the shortbread house of Edinburgh.

www.shortbreadhouse.co.uk/

Fucking hell, those reviews! These creepy blokes are coming to a changing room near you soon.