It's official, Marks and Spencer have fallen

[MrsSnippyPants]

I know we have 'known' this for a while, but this is now their official response. How many 'inappropriate' incidents will be necessary before they see sense?

#BoycottM&S

www.google.com/amp/s/www.cheshire-live.co.uk/news/local-news/women-changing-room-makes-ms-5294463.amp

Times have changed

I cannot stand the fact that unisex is being rolled out as the new normal. It benefits no-one. When did it become morally dubious to favour single sex facilities? Are there women who prefer to get changed alongside men?

BickerinBrattle, I missed your post - I don't suppose you have a copy, or that someone else copied it? And could PM it to me? Please...

shearwater as I understand it, the current solution is that everybody can use the changing room they are 'most comfortable' using. This, in real life, of course means men can use women's, not the other way around, as we've seen many times.

I have a copy Jux and have asked permission from BickerinBrattle to use it elsewhere so hope she sees this.

I was going to say I can't believe that post was deleted, but unfortunately it's totally believable.

Why was the post by BickerinBrattle deleted?

There was nothing in there that hadn't already happened was there? (If I'm thinking of the correct one?)

@MNHQ, care to let us in on it?

Times have changed

The men have changed their minds and spoken out again, so of course M&S has listened to the men again. That’s the one thing that never changes.

Unisex really doesn’t work though. I was a kid in the trendy 70s and it was tried there. People just didn’t like it and it seemed to go away. My theory is that it’s ‘cheap inclusion’ - no wheelchair ramps, special doors or wider stalls, no panic alarms or extra staff needed - but they get a nice rosette to shove on their website.

I’ve had a couple of posts deleted.

There was nothing in them that did not fall within guidelines, unless I have woefully misunderstood them.

As there is a three-strikes-and-you’re-out rule, I may inadvertently find myself banned.

As such, I would like to say that anyone who wishes to use any of my comments still standing on this thread, on this platform or on others, is welcome to do so.

I’m not sure why my comments were deleted.

Perhaps I did not make it clear that I was not commenting on every ‘transgender’ person, nor in fact on any particular ‘transgender’ person, but that when I use the terms ‘narcissistic’, ‘militantly entitled’ and ‘abusive’ I do so specifically in terms of male persons who aggressively demand access to women’s spaces, which should remain safe spaces for women only, based on the only true definition of woman - biological female.

Or perhaps I said ‘he’ somewhere where I should have remembered to say s/he.

I will be ending my Mumsnet membership, and having all my posts removed.

@MrsSnippyPants, may I be PMed a copy please, if *BickerinBrattle says it is okay? It was such a great post.

I DO NOT CONSENT TO MEN IN MY SPACE.

But it's not your space, is it?

Also, does anyone know if Next has any such ridiculous changing rooms policy? I need to find somewhere to buy most of my children’s clothes, and they seem the obvious choice.

I felt same been here over 13 years and made feel really bad for saying he not she by accident. It doesn't matter what you say if you accidentally misgender someone you get a strike. As a Disabled person who uses this site for a great deal of company it’s sad state affairs not to feel welcome anymore. I’m afraid it’s already gone to far.

Leflic plenty of women saying they don't mind, on the FB link, for info...

But it's not your space, is it?

So whose space would you say it is?

As I posted above (at 07.25 this morning), the reason why BickerinBrattle’s excellent post (...WAS... (- now it has been deleted ) so powerful, is because like the Handmaid’s Tale, it all comes from things that have really happened.

It’s not anyone’s paranoid fear of what some men (whether they identify as men or not) might do if single sex provisions for women are chucked away.

There’s a thread on here collecting recent examples of how women and children have been affected by men in these spaces: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

And I’ll also repeat: Our rights matter too.

Would MNHQ please consider to reinstate? I’m confused what was wrong with that post. what did Bickerin say that was against guidelines?

I know Piers Morgan gets a lot of stick but he's just tweeted about this to his 7m followers. Good comments underneath too.

mobile.twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1190251931920470018

The post by BickerinBrattle was awesome.

Thankfully I also got a screenshot and will keep it to remind me, and other women, of what we're up against.

Beveren of course it's her space, the space around her body is definitely her space. If she does not consent to people born male within it, it becomes worrying and slightly weird to try to bludgeon her into accepting and tolerating this against her will.

The options being offered to women who do not consent is that they have no space. In order to provide people born male with greater choice and comfort. Women's spaces are being forcibly repurposed for the better comfort and provision of men, and the fact that there is such concern over ensuring people born male feel comfortable and recognised while simultaneously telling angry, distressed women to shut up, get over it and put others first, tells you everything you need to know about what is really going on here.

Inclusion is third spaces.

Saw some TV coverage on this today.
Was a little disappointed with the loose women take on it. Jeremy vine also picked up on it this morning, a little more two sided discussion.

Side note, was supposed to pop in to M&S today to buy a bday present for MIL. Didn't.

I too screenshot Bicker’s post. I just re read it to try to figure out in what way it breached guidelines.

Maybe it was because she summarized the demands being made of women by the trans movement “in the voice of” the trans movement? It was clear to me that her litany of “We...” was meant to represent the movement as a whole, not particular individuals, but perhaps that wasn’t clear to others.

oops posted too soon. Meant to say I wouldn’t have made the same decision as the mods, but was just trying to guess at what the reasoning might be, since MNHQ haven’t commented.

I missed @BickerinBrattle's post. Would someone please pm it to me?

Thank you

Was a little disappointed with the loose women take on it.

Oh god what were they saying on Loose Women?