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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I stand with Allison Bailey

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TinselAngel · 27/10/2019 08:57

It increasingly feels like we should treat witch hunts against individual women as attacks on women as a class.

I thought women here might appreciate a thread to show their support for Allison. I don't know her personally, but I believe in all women's right to free speech.

I stand with Alison.

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BreakWindandFire · 28/10/2019 09:23

The person who started that petition has been dragging Allison on twitter all weekend, making a lot of false claims, all of them quite vile.

Turns out the person is a non-passing transman in a queer relationship with a cis-queer man. (I think that's a bio woman in a relationship with a bio man!)

NonnyMouse1337 · 28/10/2019 09:27

a non-passing transman in a queer relationship with a cis-queer man

So a heterosexual relationship then. Grin
This queer stuff certainly looks like a way for straight people to appear special and different.

Pota2 · 28/10/2019 10:17

Sure, no you’re no doubt the one who knows best. Many women have penises. Okay.

I stand with Allison Bailey
PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 28/10/2019 10:21

You can't 'exclude women from being women' FFS. Either you are one or you ain't one. If you have a penis you ain't one!

Seriously, how did we get to this point? Confused

Pota2 · 28/10/2019 10:23

Peter I have no idea how it got to this point. Scary.

hipsterfun · 28/10/2019 11:12

god, Owen Jones really doesn't get it, does he? The comment about cunnilingus is in reference to the cotton ceiling, this idea popular with some woke types that female bodied lesbians should have sex with male bodied trans women who identify as lesbians.

Oh, he knows perfectly well. It’s the height of disingenuousness.

I stand with Allison.

BigGreenOlives · 28/10/2019 11:33

I stand with Allison and I'm about to send her a postcard via Garden Court Chambers.

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 28/10/2019 11:39

Owen Jones is an intelligent man - he must understand the arguments being put across, at least to some extent, but is just putting his fingers in his ears and saying 'lalalalalalala, I am woke, I am not a bigot, I am inclusive, lalalalalalala'!

Waterl00 · 28/10/2019 11:44

More from the young person demanding the sacking of Allison.

Grim reading.

I stand with Allison Bailey
birdsdestiny · 28/10/2019 12:19

Owen is really not intelligent, he has clung to a script of what he should believe, and has never dared to critically examine his beliefs. That doesn't just apply to this debate.

PygmyHippoBob · 28/10/2019 12:30

I just hand delivered this postcard to Allison's chambers (sorry for the tweeness, local Cards Galore has a limited selection...)
Hopefully when tomorrow's post arrives, Garden Court will be inundated.

I stand with Allison Bailey
TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 28/10/2019 13:23

It is grim, yes Water100, but also helpful given this person couldn't be any clearer about what they are saying.
People often have trouble believing how homophobic TRAs are but this person (who started the petition against Allison Bailey) actually comes out and says explicitly that same sex attraction is not ok Shock
That tweet deserves to be shared more widely.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 28/10/2019 13:36

I have emailed too.

This is so flipping blatant.

VinandVigour · 28/10/2019 14:04

Card sent. I hope they have to draft in additional staff to open all the mail!

HandsOffMyRights · 28/10/2019 14:13

The homophobia by that tweeter is grim.

How dare TRAs target and intimidate a black working-class lesbian and accuse the Alliance of bigotry.

Datun · 28/10/2019 14:27

That person is obviously unhinged, Waterl00.

They seem to think a protected characteristic is something that means people have to shag you.

Whilst at the same time, wholly misunderstanding that sexual orientation is a protected characteristic.

They're an idiot. I agree, share it widely. But if the chambers are taking the slightest notice of someone like that, they are beyond reason.

JustAnotherMammi · 28/10/2019 15:21

Card is sent. I hope the influx of cards (and letters?) send a message to both Allison and Garden Court Chambers. Thanks

Might email the big boss too to express my disappointment on how they've handled it too. What was the email? I saw it posted in this thread but I can't find it now!

Waterl00 · 28/10/2019 16:18

I don't think the chambers will take much notice other than the standard brush off "we promise to take your complaint seriously" emails they have sent already. They are legal barristers, not moral ones.

They represent murderers and child abusers if they have to. Foolish indentifarians know so little about the way the world operates and yet preach at everyone from their position of stupidity.

HandsOffMyRights · 28/10/2019 16:35

It's also telling that Julie Bindel is also getting piled or calling out this attack on lesbians.

One particular MN obsessed MRA who likes to link to this board routinely as a dog whistle to the trolls (caps locks for TE**s and Trans Kids in every post)
is deliberately whipping it up.

There's a Flora-in her plan though as targeting minority groups is low.

Justhadathought · 28/10/2019 16:39

Owen Jones is an intelligent man - he must understand the arguments being put across, at least to some extent, but is just putting his fingers in his ears and saying 'lalalalalalala, I am woke, I am not a bigot, I am inclusive, lalalalalalala'!

It makes you wonder whether he really is totally un- reflective, or whether he just feels that he cannot now admit any fault at all....He is getting himself into a right old mess, whatever the case.

Siameasy · 28/10/2019 16:47

I think he’s stuck his stake in the ground and thats it. However ridiculous it all becomes he will be steadfast.

somebrightmorning · 28/10/2019 19:04

“Can't Garden Court be reported to the Bar Standards Board? I mean, Alison is supporting the current law. And she has a protected characteristic.“

Interesting question. I suppose the BSB only regulates barristers, not the clerks.
As I understand it a barristers’ chambers is effectively a partnership of barristers. They own or re t the building and employ the clerks and pupils and cleaners/outside clerks. Can anyone explain a bit more?

stumbledin · 28/10/2019 19:14

Allison Bailey
@BluskyeAllison
2h2 hours ago

Allison Bailey Retweeted WomansPlaceUK

Thank you @HWistrich and @WomansPlaceUK Mumsnet & everyone who has sent messages of support and solidarity from around the world. This isn’t about me, it is about what @stonewalluk & gender extremism has done to our politics and institutions, and it is chilling. Hold strong.

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1188863773727166466

(Hope this means the cards are getting through!)

YourOpinionIsNoted · 28/10/2019 19:17

Bought and wrote my card today then realised I've run out of stamps. Balls! So it will go tomorrow. Kind of hoping that a steady stream of cards through the week will be a good thing to show strength of support for Allison.

boatyardblues · 28/10/2019 20:20

I missed the last post, so mine will arrive later in the week.

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