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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Upfield (manufacturers of Flora marg, and Proactiv) don't want Mumsnet to buy their products any more

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Barracker · 11/10/2019 14:48

They've made the decision to 'no longer work with Mumsnet' because they want to 'treat everyone equally' because of their 'values'.

By this I'm sure they mean any woman who uses this site should definitely NOT buy their products. That would be an unpleasant association between mumsnet and their values that would be too much to bear.

Here is a helpful list of their products that they don't want in any way associated with Mumsnet:

Country rock
Flora
Rama
BlueBand
Lätta
Flora Proactiv
Becel
I can't believe it's not butter

Please don't sully their brands with any association from you, you horrid mumsnetters. Your money is tainted with unacceptable values.

Upfield (manufacturers of Flora marg, and Proactiv) don't want Mumsnet to buy their products any more
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MrGsFancyNewVagina · 11/10/2019 18:33

unless their at work, where no one gives a shit.

You mean where absolutely no women will speak out for fear of being disciplined.

marvellousnightforamooncup · 11/10/2019 18:34

Brace yourselves for a troll fest. I think we'll probably be infiltrated because of this publicity.

Datun · 11/10/2019 18:34

MonstranceClock

It's awful that your friend was beaten up. But I'm assuming they weren't beaten up by a radical feminist from mumsnet.

Male violence is at epidemic levels. The answer is not, ever, to abolish sex segregation. How can it be? Your friend would be no safer in an erstwhile female space, that is now mixed sex! But now women are subjected to the potential violence too.

Women are not a human shield for men!!!

NotTonightJosepheen · 11/10/2019 18:35

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Ereshkigal · 11/10/2019 18:36

My other trans friends tend to use the acccessible toilets, unless their at work, where no one gives a shit.

They've all done a comprehensive survey of all their female colleagues, have they? Or do you all work in the same jolly old woke organisation? Even then I bet there are people who aren't happy with it, though they wouldn't dare say.

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2019 18:36

I should add that I only came to look at this thread because MNHQ messaged on twitter about it. And that was retweeted.

Datun · 11/10/2019 18:37

Exactly. If they're afraid of men, why are they hellbent on abolishing sex segregation??? The mixed sex space holds exactly the same risk potential for transwomen as it does women.

It's about validation.

MonstranceClock · 11/10/2019 18:38

@Dangerfloof 2 women, one man. And a lot of women and men who stood about and make video in their phones. I was a lot more gender critical before that attack. But seeing her with he jaw wired shut, just the pure devastation. I realized that a big majority just want to live their lives peacefully. I’m half black, half Chinese. I know what it’s like to be associated with crimes that don’t relate to me as a person. It’s exhausting. We are if the opinion that trans and women are pitted against each other because it’s our rights that are fucked with while men sit back and watch. We think that women and trans should join forces and fight back against the men pitting is against each other. That includes, the men who think they belong in women’s prisons etc. no actual trans woman I’ve met thinks that someone still intact should be in rape centers, prisons etc.

HorsewithnoRegretsNonJeNeRegre · 11/10/2019 18:38

For every 1 violent thug who identifies as a woman to abuse the system and have access to women’s spaces, there are 10 trans women who just want to have a piss

...is a very good reason to have a third space. Unless Mons trance can tell us how to identify the one in ten? Can you? Please?

SleepyKat · 11/10/2019 18:39

A dietician told me you’d never be able to consume enough flora pro active for it to have an effect. Same for benecol.

Normal flora is minging.

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 11/10/2019 18:41

My friend is trans, born a male. She’s 5ft5 and has had her kicked in 3 times

Then you need to blame those responsible.
Directly, the people that attacked her.
Indirectly, the cause of any intolerant feeling in society, like having women arrested, beating windows of.wens meetings, suing women, cheating at sports, threatening with POV shots on twitter.. so on and so on..

When don't cause the intolerant attitudes to trans, abhorrent behaviours media visible trans do..

CampingItUp · 11/10/2019 18:41

StopFundingHate is hilarious: a Twitter based campaign that deploys Twitter, which is Hate Central! Have they SEEN the torrent of hate levelled at women? From many directions?

And LOL, using the platform that gives free rein to MAPs and NOMAPS who state AOA and leave open DMs. The platform that permits live porn videos? Oh the moral high ground about the platform on which they use. It is a sewer of hate, compared to MN.

Plus, fucking idiots , do they not see that MILs are the true target of hate on MN?

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2019 18:42

no actual trans woman I’ve met thinks that someone still intact should be in rape centers, prisons etc.

Thing is, those trans people under the commonly accepted definition who you don't think are "actual trans women" are getting awarded GRCs, rewriting policies and influencing government, as well as accessing those spaces you mention. Do you see the problem here?

zen1 · 11/10/2019 18:43

Seems like Flora also has a history of homophobia...
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2408792/Flora-publishes-homophobic-advert-compares-coming-father-shot-heart.html

Datun · 11/10/2019 18:46

That includes, the men who think they belong in women’s prisons etc. no actual trans woman I’ve met thinks that someone still intact should be in rape centers, prisons etc.

Dear lord MonstranceClock, you do realise, don't you, that is exactly the kind of comment that will be deemed utterly transphobic.

No one, absolutely no one, on this board, condones, or is happy with trans people being beaten up. Many people here are the parents of trans children, or the children of trans parents.

Not wanting men, however they bloody well identify, in female prisons, on all women shortlists, or involved in female sport, does NOT lead to men beating up transwomen. It's a ridiculous connection to make.

CampingItUp · 11/10/2019 18:46

@MonstranceClock “My friend is trans, born a male. She’s 5ft5 and has had her kicked in 3 times, just for dating to be who she feels the happiest as”

This is horrendous. Shocking but not surprising, because I know that Transwomen get assaulted . But please tell us who attacked her. Was it feminists?

HermioneWeasley · 11/10/2019 18:46

I’ll take my filthy hate filled money elsewhere then

Anonymouse99 · 11/10/2019 18:47

This makes me so angry. I’m not “anti” or “phobic” anything and I’ve essentially been called that for using this forum. All this transgender stuff was completely new to me less than a year ago and I have tried to “educate myself” as we’re always told to do and I haven't found any information that adequately explains what “being a woman” or “being a man” is supposed to feel like.

I’ve always thought the only thing that makes me female is my body. Living in a society that treats me in a certain way because of that body has shaped many of my experiences. In particular, becoming a parent has impacted my life in ways that it hasn’t impacted my husband and I do have those experiences in common with other women who have children, but there is NOTHING that I feel is innate in my character that relates to my sex. I don’t believe I am any more likely to have something in common with a woman than a man and I don’t know what a “gender identity” is. Any explanations I’ve seen have relied on stereotypes that I object to and feel are sexist and downright offensive.

I teach my children that there are no such things as girls’ things or boys’ things and they can watch the football, wearing pink while they play with dolls and dinosaurs but I also teach them about the realities of their bodies and mine and my husband’s in an age appropriate way (hazard of having no lock on the bathroom door means no privacy).

I wasn’t brought up with gender roles strongly enforced but I appreciate that people who have, may have difficulties breaking them and could develop issues with their bodies and they absolutely should be supported and should not be discriminated against. However, the idea that everyone has an innate sense of gender just doesn’t make sense to me because I don’t have one. How does that make me transphobic?

I strongly object to many of the assumptions that are made about me because of my sex. I’ve been on the receiving end of sexism, misogyny and had my earnings impacted through the patriarchal system that assumes a mother must always be the main caregiver. I also had my own #MeToo experiences in my single days and am scared for my children who will have access to porn and sexualised images of women so easily as they get older in a way I never had to deal with.

Mumsnet is the only place I’ve found where people seem to talk openly about this and explain things in a way that makes sense to me. I went to uni and learnt a bit about Post Modern theory and Queer theory (although I didn’t pay much attention as it all seemed a bit too much like it was disappearing up its own backside) but just thought of it like lots of other philosophical theories, they were good thought experiments which you could use to analyse a book or a play, but the real world is the real world.

Sex (male, female or those with a DSD) is an objective reality and can not be changed. If some people feel they can make it through the day better altering their bodies and adopting stereotypes associated with the opposite sex, they should be allowed to do that without prejudice. But why does it also necessitate teaching children that those stereotypes are fixed and body modifications are inevitable if they don’t conform? Why does it mean removing safeguarding? Why does it mean eliminating sex-segregated spaces for vulnerable people? Why does it mean changing the definition of words like woman, girl, man, boy, gay, straight, he and she?

Live your life but don’t define me or my children. I don’t identify with the stereotypes of being a woman. I object to them. Don’t call me cis. I will not judge you so don’t judge me.

I am a regular lurker and have rarely seen any genuinely transphobic comments on here, unless transphobic simply means not unquestioningly adhering to an ideology that nobody seems to want to explain.

ZenNudist · 11/10/2019 18:49

Im 40. Ive been brand loyal to flora as we always had it as kids. I buy flora buttery nowadays. Sorry all you butter lovers. Am going to switch to something else.

TheBullshitGoesOn · 11/10/2019 18:49

Blue Band? Is that still going? I remember being fed that shit as a child.

I would boycott the products, but don't buy any of them anyway.

CampingItUp · 11/10/2019 18:50

“no actual trans woman I’ve met thinks that someone still intact should be in rape centers, prisons etc.”

And yet TRAs all over Twitter assert exactly that.

OK, I have long-standing Trans friends, 1 Transman, 2 Transwomen. They understand my GC POV. But someone is driving the growing number of people who shriek ‘transphobe’ at anyone who dares suggest that single sex toilets are important. Alongside gender-inclusive.

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/10/2019 18:50

Eresh it'll be better for you too if made with virgin olive oil Grin

HereCosFloraRShithouseRats · 11/10/2019 18:51

Peak flora

NeurotrashWarrior · 11/10/2019 18:51

Oh and she uses Kerry Gold butter I think? A Grass fed cow butter.

Singlewhiteguineapig · 11/10/2019 18:53

I only buy vegan products but will no longer buy their dairy-free spread again.

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